Tenka
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Post by Tenka on May 16, 2018 7:22:53 GMT
Probably a waste of time posting this thread, might be easier getting blood from a stone  . I think based upon earlier and present discussions there appears to be a noted difference although not explained in any depth between Self Realization and what I refer to as 'Being' what you are beyond any self reflection that is beyond mind . There are obvious differences had pertaining to what S.R. actual refers to or means to each individual and I would say Being has the same issues, for myself I see there is only being and Self realization is the result of that contrasting difference where there is self and no self, mind and no mind . Another aspect is what I have noticed is the whole witnessing and observing the realization itself from a position of ignorance or delusion . This is in my eyes obviously not what 'being' refers or points too . Being and Self are the same. Butt Self realization isn't Being in your eyes . The Thread is about the differences between Self Realization and Being . Saying Being and Self are the same doesn't really add anything to the pot . |
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Post by mike3405 on May 16, 2018 22:29:28 GMT
'The Creator can't be known conceptually but can be felt.' --paraphrased from the Zohar Who is the creator in this place mike? I dunno |
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Post by Enigma on May 18, 2018 2:22:00 GMT
Being and Self are the same. Butt Self realization isn't Being in your eyes . The Thread is about the differences between Self Realization and Being . Saying Being and Self are the same doesn't really add anything to the pot . What it means is that Self realization is Being realization. You're equating Self or Being to the happening of realizing Self or Being. |
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Post by Tenka on May 18, 2018 7:27:55 GMT
Butt Self realization isn't Being in your eyes . The Thread is about the differences between Self Realization and Being . Saying Being and Self are the same doesn't really add anything to the pot . What it means is that Self realization is Being realization. You're equating Self or Being to the happening of realizing Self or Being. Your just mixing words up now . Self realization isn't by your own admission the same as Being, butt Self realization is the same as Being realization ..  I have already said that only self can be realized or be unrealized . Self or Being is beyond realization . Self or Being does not require realization of any kind . |
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Post by Enigma on May 19, 2018 23:56:42 GMT
What it means is that Self realization is Being realization. You're equating Self or Being to the happening of realizing Self or Being. Your just mixing words up now . Self realization isn't by your own admission the same as Being, butt Self realization is the same as Being realization .. I have already said that only self can be realized or be unrealized . Self or Being is beyond realization . Self or Being does not require realization of any kind . Self Realization refers to the realization OF Self, not BY Self.  |
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Post by mike3405 on May 20, 2018 3:15:37 GMT
Self-Realization refers to realizing the true Self by knowing the false self
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Tenka
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Post by Tenka on May 20, 2018 9:18:27 GMT
Your just mixing words up now . Self realization isn't by your own admission the same as Being, butt Self realization is the same as Being realization .. I have already said that only self can be realized or be unrealized . Self or Being is beyond realization . Self or Being does not require realization of any kind .
Self Realization refers to the realization OF Self, not BY Self. What are you going on about now? Self doesn't require the realization!! How many times do I have to say it  . Who has suggested that Self, Self realises Self by Self? This is the whole point I have been making for weeks, self requires the realization . What is regarded as the realization itself (not the self observing Self) is actually being what you are . There has to be the being of what you are for the self to realize what you are . Your looking at the realization thru a looking glass, via observing the process .. It's incorrect . |
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