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Post by Tenka on May 13, 2018 11:22:13 GMT
Probably a waste of time posting this thread, might be easier getting blood from a stone  . I think based upon earlier and present discussions there appears to be a noted difference although not explained in any depth between Self Realization and what I refer to as 'Being' what you are beyond any self reflection that is beyond mind . There are obvious differences had pertaining to what S.R. actual refers to or means to each individual and I would say Being has the same issues, for myself I see there is only being and Self realization is the result of that contrasting difference where there is self and no self, mind and no mind . Another aspect is what I have noticed is the whole witnessing and observing the realization itself from a position of ignorance or delusion . This is in my eyes obviously not what 'being' refers or points too . |
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Post by Tenka on May 13, 2018 18:42:24 GMT
Be careful. The moment you start talking you create a verbal universe, a universe of words, ideas, concepts and abstractions, interwoven and inter-dependent, most wonderfully generating, supporting and explaining each other and yet all without essence or substance, mere creations of the mind. Words create words, reality is silent. ~ Nisargadatta Maharaj I wonder if there is a silent forum .. if not we just have to make sense of things the best we can .. |
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Post by Tenka on May 15, 2018 5:48:01 GMT
I wonder if there is a silent forum .. if not we just have to make sense of things the best we can .. If you wish to make sense of things the best you can, leave the mind alone. Sure, there's lots to be said about that . |
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Post by Tenka on May 15, 2018 11:59:36 GMT
Sure, there's lots to be said about that . Sure. Like, when you think you understand, you don't. Thought is absent in seeing things intuitively. Any specific things that come to mind where thought is absent that you intuitively see? |
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Post by mike3405 on May 15, 2018 19:54:27 GMT
'The Creator can't be known conceptually but can be felt.' --paraphrased from the Zohar
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2018 0:33:33 GMT
'The Creator can't be known conceptually but can be felt.' --paraphrased from the Zohar Who is the creator in this place mike? |
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Post by Enigma on May 16, 2018 6:03:15 GMT
Probably a waste of time posting this thread, might be easier getting blood from a stone . I think based upon earlier and present discussions there appears to be a noted difference although not explained in any depth between Self Realization and what I refer to as 'Being' what you are beyond any self reflection that is beyond mind . There are obvious differences had pertaining to what S.R. actual refers to or means to each individual and I would say Being has the same issues, for myself I see there is only being and Self realization is the result of that contrasting difference where there is self and no self, mind and no mind . Another aspect is what I have noticed is the whole witnessing and observing the realization itself from a position of ignorance or delusion . This is in my eyes obviously not what 'being' refers or points too . Being and Self are the same. |
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Post by Enigma on May 16, 2018 6:06:25 GMT
Be careful. The moment you start talking you create a verbal universe, a universe of words, ideas, concepts and abstractions, interwoven and inter-dependent, most wonderfully generating (confusion), supporting and explaining each other and yet all without essence or substance, mere creations of the mind. Words create words, reality is silent. ~ Nisargadatta Maharaj Zactadactally. |
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Post by Enigma on May 16, 2018 6:08:55 GMT
I wonder if there is a silent forum .. if not we just have to make sense of things the best we can .. If you wish to make sense of things the best you can, leave the mind alone.  |
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Post by Enigma on May 16, 2018 6:12:44 GMT
Sure, there's lots to be said about that . Sure. Like, when you think you understand, you don't. Thought is absent in seeing things intuitively. A discussion that involved occasionally stilling the mind and looking would be a Satsang. |
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