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Post by Andrew on Feb 12, 2018 23:24:42 GMT
Then talk to me in such simple way that can't leave me more confused. Can animals suffer? Lose your mind and find out. I already know. I want to know what you think. Do you believe you have something to lose by answering the question? |
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Post by Andrew on Feb 12, 2018 23:34:34 GMT
I already know my answer so it doesn't require contemplation or meditation. What's your answer? And why WONT you answer?I can be accused of many things over the years, but if I am asked a question repeatedly, I will answer it. If I don't know, then I will say that. What's the problem with answering the question? Surely you don't think that answering the question would somehow diminish you or something like that? I refuse to entertain a questioner such as yourself. Go ask tenka. You can play questioner and answerer all night. You're cut from the same cloth. Like attracts like. Make it a marathon session between the 'two' of 'you'. Maybe the questions will burn themselves out. One can only hope  I have to assume that you have a story about what might happen if you were to answer the question, I see no other reasonable explanation for why you wouldn't answer it. We are on a discussion forum right now, and the subject of pain and suffering interested you. So how about you drop the stories for a moment, and answer the question. Can animals suffer? |
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Post by Andrew on Feb 12, 2018 23:38:59 GMT
I already know. I want to know what you think. Do you believe you have something to lose by answering the question? This conversation proves you don't know. Go find a mirror and ask your questions. And remember, I'm not interested at all in your answers. Capiche? At this point I don't think you are going to answer because I think you have some kind of masculine pride happening...maybe you think that I will feel like I 'won' something if you answer, or that you have been 'caught out' somehow. But, really, I would just like to know what you believe. If Tolle was asked this question, would he answer? Of course! Pick any teacher you like, I would bet that most if not all would answer. |
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Post by Andrew on Feb 12, 2018 23:47:23 GMT
I have to assume that you have a story about what might happen if you were to answer the question, I see no other reasonable explanation for why you wouldn't answer it. We are on a discussion forum right now, and the subject of pain and suffering interested you. So how about you drop the stories for a moment, and answer the question. Can animals suffer? How's about you dropping your story based questions? You should be having this discussion with, tenka, regarding his dog. I cannot answer your questions. Our pets don't suffer. That's OUR experience. Chase your tale with that response. Maybe yours don't, but you don't physically torture them. Seems like you are saying here that some animals suffer (but not yours). Am I reading that right? |
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Post by Andrew on Feb 12, 2018 23:52:29 GMT
At this point I don't think you are going to answer because I think you have some kind of masculine pride happening...maybe you think that I will feel like I 'won' something if you answer, or that you have been 'caught out' somehow. But, really, I would just like to know what you believe. If Tolle was asked this question, would he answer? Of course! Pick any teacher you like, I would bet that most if not all would answer. HaHa. Talk about stories. Story-Time with Andrew... brought to you by- Viagra. But you see, you have to assume that there is some kind of catch to the question, some kind of hidden agenda, some kind of thing which maybe you think would bolster my ego or....I don't even know. SOME kind of story you are telling. And you know what? Maybe there is some catch or something (but maybe there isn't). But what have you got to lose? The teachers don't have these concerns, they answer the durn questions they are asked. So I am asking you....can animals suffer? |
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Post by Andrew on Feb 13, 2018 0:04:37 GMT
Maybe yours don't, but you don't physically torture them. Seems like you are saying here that some animals suffer (but not yours). Am I reading that right? I haven't run across any animals suffering. I have run across animals who could not fend for themselves any longer. Make of that what you will. I couldn't help noticing you're not making any headway with your understanding of suffering on ST, too. It may be time to give it up, because your understanding has definitely taken on a time-bound flavor. I'm guessing that mind of yours just won't stop, and you don't like stillness as a remedy. Your life. Do with it what you will. Well maybe you have only come across contented and happy animals, like in Mary Poppins world (though I'm not sure how the deer fits into that). But you do know that some animals are treated badly don't you? Some are even kept in tiny enclosures that send them crazy. I know that might be hard to hear if you didn't know, but maybe it's time you knew that it's not a Mary Poppins world for all animals. Do you believe that tortured animals suffer? You know, if you beat a dog and cause it pain, it will tremble and hide from you? It demonstrates clearly that it doesn't like the pain, nor the anger demonstrated to it. Can animals suffer? |
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Post by Andrew on Feb 13, 2018 0:17:52 GMT
Well maybe you have been fortunate enough to only come across content and happy animals (though based on what you said, I don't imagine the deer demonstrating contentedness and happiness), But you do know that the world isn't a Mary Poppins world, right? There are animals being tortured. Do these animals suffer? Enough is enough, Andrew. Of course I have concerns. But I've also come to realize that mind for the most part has no solutions. It's whole shtick is based on memory and cultural conditioning. But if your mind inspires you to walk into a situation where people are torturing animals, give it a go. Show us what you got. But based on the posts you've been writing here, I'm pretty sure it's all bluster on your part. A wannabe hero. Stop posting and act. Have this conversation with someone who intends suffering on animals. You remind me of Trump and his wall. Infatuated. I'm not talking about solutions, and I already said that I had no problem with your approach to the deer, I'm just asking if you believe animals suffer. You hint that they do when you talk about 'concerns', but I don't know if I am interpreting your hints correctly. Can you answer the question clearly please? |
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Post by Andrew on Feb 13, 2018 0:18:59 GMT
Well maybe you have only come across contented and happy animals, like in Mary Poppins world (though I'm not sure how the deer fits into that). But you do know that some animals are treated badly don't you? Some are even kept in tiny enclosures that send them crazy. I know that might be hard to hear if you didn't know, but maybe it's time you knew that it's not a Mary Poppins world for all animals. Do you believe that tortured animals suffer? You know, if you beat a dog and cause it pain, it will tremble and hide from you? It demonstrates clearly that it doesn't like the pain, nor the anger demonstrated to it. Can animals suffer? Engage with it and find out. Apply for a job at a place where you suspect animals are being made to suffer. Find out if you can make a difference. We were involved with turning around an animal shelter here that would destroy an animal if they didn't find a home within 30 days. Now they don't have that option. The animals stay there until they find someone willing to give them a home. No balls? Asking facetious questions won't make a difference. Walk your talk, boy. I already do help out at an animal shelter. My whole family does. Again, you hint fairly strongly here at an answer, but can you be clear please? |
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Post by Andrew on Feb 13, 2018 0:26:00 GMT
I'm not talking about solutions, and I already said that I had no problem with your approach to the deer, I'm just asking if you believe animals suffer. You hint that they do when you talk about 'concerns', but I don't know if I am interpreting your hints correctly. Can you answer the question clearly please? I know you're not talking about solutions. Your throwing everything at a wall hoping something sticks to justify a position your taking a stance on. It's like having a discussion with a cartoon character on this end. Again, you are telling all sorts of stories about what might happen if you answer the question. Maybe consider that answering the question is the present moment step to take for now, and then see what emerges after that. It's just a question, what's the worst that can happen by answering clearly? Do you believe that animals can suffer? |
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Post by Andrew on Feb 13, 2018 0:28:44 GMT
I already do help out at an animal shelter. My whole family does. Again, you hint fairly strongly here at an answer, but can you be clear please? That's your interpretation. You help out? How does that work? Do you ask the animals if they're suffering, then prioritize your availability based on suspected need? Are you like the water boy? The shit disturber, or litter refresher? You know, this conversation is making me appreciate my life even more with every attempt you make to be seen as correct. lol precisely...it is my interpretation, I can only guess if you hint, which is why I am asking for you to be clear. Can you be clear please? Can animals suffer? You see, you reveal your story in the very last words there. You are concerned about me 'making myself seen as correct'. So you don't want to answer the question. Do you think Tolle worries about that when asked a question? |
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