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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 13:04:02 GMT
This distinction can be useful while you talk, but there is no such distinction exist, Awareness creates and perceives simultaneously, Creating is Perceiving. While Awareness is perceiving, it's creating. You're mixing context. You said " You can't be drawn into the story because you are not only watching but creating the story as well". The aspect that is 'drawn into the story' is a personal aspect. The aspect that is creating is an impersonal aspect. It's not true that the personal can't be drawn into the impersonal creation because it can create something else. The personal aspect doesn't create. The impersonal aspect doesn't modify the creation according to personal desire. That's why the waking dream goes on as it does after SR. Introducing too many terms is really confusing. Awareness is the creator and experiencer! Awareness perceives the creation by creating it. Creating is perceiving. It creates in such a way that Awareness would perform actor role when it's in self-delusion or believe itself to be a choice maker, it starts to back away when it realizes the truth that it's task is to witness not to create(No confusion here since I said 'not to create')! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 13:05:13 GMT
Why? You are not suffering when you try to get out of the situation so hard? What you're calling 'trying to get out of a situation so hard' is being applied to mundane things like averting your eyes when a horror scene come on. Based on past conversations I believe it includes anything that you want to change. If you insist on defining that as suffering, then there is no way out of suffering. I know when I suffer! It's a kind of internal pain I want to escape no matter whether I am watching a real event or watching in a movie. Movement of appearance has the power to pull me in. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 13:05:46 GMT
Ha ha. No that's a cop out. I want to know how you stop suffering if you can't get rid of it because it isn't there. You have to defend statements like that.  Why would I, you're not defending yours? hehe Please offer your solution for all to hear. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 13:06:57 GMT
His realization doesn't yet place him into the witness mode, that's my point. It doesn't? He is already in the witness mode, isn't it? Read my original post once again! The question is not about whether we are witnessing the life or not, it's what obviously we do! The question is about witnessing mode. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 13:10:57 GMT
Yes I know what is that! But what I mean by 'witnessing mode' is, once after the realization of he being a witness or realizing after he is not a choice maker, he automatically falls into the witnessing mode. You cannot make it happen by choice. That in itself shows you are not the doer. Then you know you are the witness but you are not in witnessing mode. You are creating and perceiving, you would create the controlling when you believe yourself to be an actor. you would create differently when you identify yourself to be a witness. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 13:11:34 GMT
It seems source thinks we want to suffer. He questions people as if he knows the answer! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 13:13:02 GMT
That's what I made my statement very in my Original post, the question is not whether we are witnessing or not, the question is whether we are in witnessing mode or not. We are always witnessing whether we realize it or not, but we are not in witnessing mode when you believe in choice maker, because awareness projects you like a actor in the game. Yes I think I understand what you are getting at though my words would be different. I asked a question, would you be okay to stop watching movies that cause suffering? Does game of thrones ever cause you suffering?Yes, heavily. you can't jump out of the Movie, that would lead to avoiding, avoiding would sooner put you into trouble. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 13:13:37 GMT
You have a problem, or disagree, with true nature as a beingness? I disagreed. Perceiving is not arising from awareness. Awareness is perceiving itself. |
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Post by Andrew on Aug 9, 2017 13:22:19 GMT
Yes I think I understand what you are getting at though my words would be different. I asked a question, would you be okay to stop watching movies that cause suffering? Does game of thrones ever cause you suffering?Yes, heavily. you can't jump out of the Movie, that would lead to avoiding, avoiding would sooner put you into trouble. Okay! So let's say you realize your true nature, and the universe moves you so that you no longer watch game of thrones or movies that have disturbing scenes. Is that okay with you? You are happy to let go of these film/movies? |
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Post by Andrew on Aug 9, 2017 13:23:47 GMT
You have a problem, or disagree, with true nature as a beingness? I disagreed. Perceiving is not arising from awareness. Awareness is perceiving itself. Yes, 'awareness' is a doing for you, for me, it is a beingness. We disagree, but I think I can still ask you about the suffering. |
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