Esponja
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Post by Esponja on Nov 9, 2024 6:17:50 GMT
A few teachers discuss the reflection out there that when one announces ‘freedom’ at all costs will begin to show the conditioning that is to transcend.
My experience these last few years has been of awake/asleep. I believe now I caught glimpses initially which set the events off in my life which were challenging to say the least. Alongside this, I did experience some ‘good’ too but it wasn’t until this year that I did some enquiry into a core emotion did everything really hit my ‘wounds’.
There is no cause and effect as we know. It appeared this way. I did also have an astrological reading that said it was all in my chart anyway. Again just layers of story.
Some teachers say, it’s all ‘this’ anyhow. Whilst it appeared there was a doer contemplating and transcending, the suffering in the story caused me to finally get clear. No more glimpses.
In the story, I was able to see from 3 perspectives. The personal, the spiritual (karmic, conditioning) and the Truth.
The reflection soon transcended into more love. However, there are still pockets of conditioning arising. Now, however, they are seen and that appears to be enough. No enquiry necessary.
The suffering sure is a gift to come ‘home’.
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Post by Figgles on Nov 9, 2024 19:12:36 GMT
A few teachers discuss the reflection out there that when one announces ‘freedom’ at all costs will begin to show the conditioning that is to transcend. Yes, there's nothing quite like actual, direct experience of a particular appearing condition, to really know for sure if there's still attachment/stickiness there or not! It's in encountering those 'post awakening' conditions that challenge freedom, that we begin to see those scenarios that still have the power to drag us back into the dream-state. In that, they are important indeed! And that really highlights the misconception inherent to LOA/deliberate creation. LOA'ers look to appearing conditions to determine state of being....degree of attachment.....presence of identification with limitation. If a particular condition is appearing, (Niz's cancer for example) that is taken as evidence of an absence of true freedom from limitation/boundedness. The apparent condition is used to judge the degree of freedom, which is completely backwards. Freedom cannot be measured by anything that appears...be it an apparent feeling state of the person you observe, be is an apparent condition, either bodily or environmentally. Freedom/lack thereof....the peace that passeth understanding, that is really an absence, cannot be known to be via observation of experiential content/condition...it can only be known directly, imminently, non-conceptually. It does not appear....peace is ultimately an absence. That absence DOES impact experience and thus it shows up/is reflected within experiential content, but not in any way that equals an inviolable law....not in any way that can be inviolably predicted. It's a mistake to believe that SR equals an experiential perfect life thereafter, completely absent any and all emotional pain. Emotional pain (not suffering) is not something to be snuffed out, it's something to be accepted as part and parcel of the emotional movements inherent to the unfolding story. Once there's no longer a movement in play to 'end' emotional pain, to erradicate it from the story, it ceases to be regarded as fundamentally problematic. What 'suffering' is is the overlay that an imagined SVP places upon a brief/temporal arising discordant feeling, that drags it down into fundamental condemnation/intolerability of the rollercoaster u/down movement, itself. I think that awake/asleep, following an initial glimpse is the more common way it goes. I don't actually recall hearing anyone describe their initial glimpse/glimmer as sustaining itself, unrelenting, abidingly, ever since. But that said, that too is possible. Yup...and the seeing of that does not necessarily do away with ALL such musings and interests...only the one's that posit "creation/causation with the dream" as actual/Truth. Ideas like reincarnation...a continuing experience following physical/bodily death....day/time of birth correlating with specific experiences, all of that can be still be included within the living of an awakened life. The only caveat is that it's absent "fundamental/existential/inviolable/dictating laws." & that's why LOA take a beating upon true awakening.  Yes..it's a mistake to think that ALL conditionings disappear upon awakening...& that's really so perfectly put!....simply seeing those conditionings for what they are does become enough....no need to delve into them anymore...it's already crystal clear what's going on! |
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Post by Figgles on Nov 9, 2024 19:51:17 GMT
Mind/seekers often mistake the pointer of 'fundamental perfection' with mind's relative judgments of 'goodness/liked.' The impersonal vantage point lies beyond relative, personal judgments of good/bad...liked/disliked. Awakening allows for the continued arising of personal judgments....of some stuff liked....other stuff not so much. Acceptance of the up/down, roller-coaster movement of feeling states within the dream, means the end of trying to turn stuff you don't like into stuff you DO like. There's no need for that. It's okay to not like it that your cell phone just fell in the mud....but, absent an SVP, there will be no turning that temporal event into a fundamental tragedy. |
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Post by Figgles on Nov 10, 2024 19:28:49 GMT
Wakefulness includes the arising of likes and dislikes....of surface, personal, conditioning-based judgments, applied to arising conditions. None of that is or ever was the obscuring factor when it comes to freedom.
What wakefulness does not include is separation-based, personal 'need' for conditions to be a particular way, for peace to prevail....wakefulness does not include fundamental condemnation of anything that arises, including the very fact that feelings/emotions move within the story, between polarities.
An arising feeling of aversion to some apparent, experiential condition that's presently in play, is not itself problematic or indicative of imagined separation, unless that arising feeling is cloaked in an overlay of judgment that says it should not be arising...unless it is cloaked in an intent to deny it/change it. That "cloaking/overlay" is always an indicator of an imagined separate, volitional person.
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