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Post by Figgles on Jul 2, 2024 20:22:04 GMT
Thank you for this SomeNOthing....bang-on. I am so appreciating the genuine responses from folks like you, Gopal, Zaz, and Andrew in particular and the fact that the sentiment being expressed, complete with the appreciation expressed towards E and his stance of integrity to Truth, is consistent and has not suddenly, dramatically shifted due to a shift in E's circumstance.
As much as I oft get accused here of denying and denigrating, ignoring, glossing over, failing to appreciate, etc, the experiential world and the apparent persons in it, one of my highest of values as a person, relates to character....degree of personal integrity....ability/willingness to be honest and sincere and for all expressions, be they re: Truth or relative views, toreflect that.
Never is bad character more glaring I find, than when the chips are down, someone experiencing serious illness, or has even passed, and all sorts of folks who previously treated the person like shit, suddenly come out of the woodwork to be kind and decent and sing praises of the other when previously, in so called "normal times," somehow, all those merits went not only unseen, but in this case, were outright vilified and punishment meted out for them.
Wouldn't it be nice if that same softness of heart that suddenly gets applied in another's time of need, had been able to find itself applied in perhaps a lesser but more sincere and consistent manner, previous to that?
Of course, in saying this to you, I know I am preaching to the choir....you are always consistent in that manner, as is Andrew and a few others....& it's appreciated.
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Post by Figgles on Jul 2, 2024 20:29:56 GMT
Hey Gopal, hope you don't mind that I changed the thread-title.  |
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Post by Figgles on Jul 2, 2024 20:37:54 GMT
Wow....Andrew, you are an amazing example of what it means to be integral, sincere in your kindness....a genuine, fully authentic and honest person and I cringe at the fact that there was a point where were not seeing eye to eye, in the heat of argument, where I suggested, or even thought, otherwise. You own your shit where it sits, and make no bones about admitting so, like no one I've met before....you remain consistent and part and parcel of that consistency is a genuine kindness and compassion that is so very rare.  |
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Post by Figgles on Jul 2, 2024 20:53:01 GMT
Years ago, that "heartening energy even when disagreeing," was proven to me. As many may recall, E and I went at it pretty good on forum...I'd reached out during a particularly strong exchange on Forum, by PM to apologize and let him know I felt I'd gone to far, gotten too personal. I wasn't sure what his response would be, and felt it was quite possible he'd tell me to piss off, or my even greater expectation was that he'd likely just ignore me. (I've had that happen with a few folks on ST when I'd reached out by PM to try to soften things).
His response was so warm and completely accepting....a kindness I really did not expect considering the heated on forum exchange. It was so very crystal clear to me in that that his Truth/dharma battle stance in no way was a reflection of a lack of personal kindness/caring....that there is in fact a very stark distinction between the stance one can take in terms of expression between discussions about Absolute Truth vs. discussions on a personal level.
Truth at all costs is context relevant and in no way says anything about a lack of kindness, poor character, a lack of personal caring.
Via E, I also came to see what a gift it is to have someone converse with you and stick with it come hell or high water, holding his ground, pointing over and over again, without compromise...how at the time that might feel to the person like arrogance, unkindness, but in actuality is love itself, incarnate.....a demonstration of love in action.
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Post by Figgles on Jul 2, 2024 20:57:43 GMT
Swear to God, did not see this til just now. I think you and I were having the same thought right about the same time, Andrew. I considered a few titles but wanted to make sure to highlight the fact there is a link where folks can offer up monetary support for E. But yeah, the vibe wasn't sitting right me either. |
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Post by Andrew on Jul 3, 2024 1:20:45 GMT
Swear to God, did not see this til just now. I think you and I were having the same thought right about the same time, Andrew. I considered a few titles but wanted to make sure to highlight the fact there is a link where folks can offer up monetary support for E. But yeah, the vibe wasn't sitting right me either. |
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Post by Figgles on Jul 3, 2024 9:26:13 GMT
Eloquent words Reefs, and I think you pretty much nail it in terms of what E brought to ST...the incredible value of his message, the way he pointed, his integrity that is second to none, his uncompromising stance that pissed off plenty an SVP, but all of it, out of an unconditional Love for Truth and the beauty of life itself. I'm curious, is E still banned/blocked from ST? Enigma has never been banned in ST. There's an even more poignant particular to the fact that Reefs ran E off ST; Prior to ST forum, E, Reefs and I were all on the "Pavlina Forum." Muttley too. Prior to the folding of that forum by Steve Pavlina, Reefs had been banned. Reefs had been very friendly with E on that forum, and reached out to me via email to ask that I message E via PM on the Pavlina forum, to find out the 'other' forum that E engaged on & to ask E if it was okay that Reefs joined him there to converse....E kindly shared that info and told me to tell Reefs it was fine to follow him there....that forum was ST. I shared that with Reefs, she joined ST forum, at a later date became mod....and well, you now the rest. |
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Post by Figgles on Jul 6, 2024 18:28:01 GMT
On this forum, as mod, I was able to simply click "moderate" on Gopals initial post and from there was able to change the thread title. Actually, scrap that  .....I just re-checked; Click on edit, on the OP, and it's from there the option opens up to change thread title. |
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Post by Gopal on Jul 30, 2024 9:02:21 GMT
Miss you Enigma/Arcanum!
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Post by Figgles on Jul 30, 2024 18:26:52 GMT
Yes, he will missed dearly by many, particularly his beloved Marie to whom I send heartfelt condolences and healing thought for strength in the coming days. Theirs was a true love story that I am quite sure will endure even his bodily passing. I hope you don't mind Gopal that I changed the thread title. To say that Enigma is longer is imo, not accurate at all....while ideas about what happens post bodily death, whether or not the personality/me character lives on in terms of continued experience, varies, but what I can say with surety is that in memory and via the bulk of wisdom and clarity-laden posts E has graced ST and this forum with, he truly does live on. I think the quote below perfectly addresses E's contribution to this world and most certainly speaks to my own feelings and gratitude for the very fact of having crossed paths with E. It is shocking to think that some took the gift of E's interest in engaging their views with his clarity-based challenges as anything other than the gift that that was, but that's egoic mind/the SVP for ya.  I would like this thread from hereon to be a place where E can be remembered and as it says in the thread title, "celebrated." He stands as one of the few I've come across who I can confidently and safely say was "Self Realized"..."Awake"....Enlightened." I will be forever grateful for his willingness to engage me and his staunch refusal to compromise when it came to dharma debates centered on Truth. |
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.....I just re-checked; Click on edit, on the OP, and it's from there the option opens up to change thread title.