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Post by Figgles on Mar 19, 2024 19:11:48 GMT
The SVP is a sneaky customer. It has a way of hiding itself, even in the midst of a seeker believing he's seeing from beyond/prior to. Unless there is true sincere interest to root out that sneaky little devil, it will continue to hide.
One of the best litmus tests for those engaging on a spiritual discussion/debate forum, is the absence or presence of a sincere willingness to answer pointed questions.
In fact, the very moment there arises as sense of discomfort and a hesitance to answer a civilly posted, Truth-seeking query, right there, the sneaky customer has revealed itself.
q/herbert....that question I keep asking of you...? "Why do you keep creating new names here to engage me with as we converse," and your obvious reluctance to provide a direct answer....that right there, if you are sincerely interested in Truth, should be of import to you.
It's likely you feel personally 'called out' and feel that providing an honest answer will somehow diminish your standing or make you look bad, but all of that is pure egoic/SVP BS. A forum dedicated to Truth at all costs, as this one is, should stand as a place where everyone can safely rip off the egoic mask to unabashedly share what's there when it's all laid bare.
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Post by Figgles on Mar 21, 2024 21:40:47 GMT
The remnants of an SVP can be so subtle as to go unseen by the seeker (who has erroneously declared full SR/awakening).
It seems common for spiritual seekers of Nonduality to have an incomplete 2nd mountain position seeing/realization, and then to head on off to 3rd mountain, with luggage still chock full of sacred, false ideas/beliefs, that are now erroneously declared to have "realized/Absolute" status.
3rd mountain position/full circle/integration cannot happen unless and until 2nd mountain position of seeing through/realizing the inherent absence of existence re: the totality of perceivables/appearance, is full and complete.
If you find yourself clinging to and defending a particular facet of experience, trying to uphold it as some kind of 'bridge' between the material/phenomenal and that which lies prior to/beyond, it's very likely you're sitting at 2nd mountain, still with a full suitcase.
There's a silly, erroneous argument that's been thrown around a bit here lately that says the pointer to emptiness, if made emphatically and often indicates a clinging/attachment to a sacred idea. It's silly because "sacred ideas" always have something inherent to them that is mind-satisfying....something that panders to the person....something that makes mind/ego feel better. There is nothing in the pointer towards inherent emptiness/nothingness that fulfills that criteria.
If there is even a tiny remnant of an SVP remaining, the pointer of "inherent emptiness re: ALL appearance" specifically assigned to "apparently sentient persons," is pretty much guaranteed to stir up a hornets nest of protest...and that specific protest aptly reveals the presence of an SVP, and his sacred ideas that he is unwilling to part with.
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Post by Figgles on Mar 23, 2024 18:38:02 GMT
This very nicely sums up the realization/seeing through of 2nd mountain position, that if it is not complete and total, amounts to all sorts of issues of mistaking the relative for Absolute Truth and then erroneously declaring SR/awakening. So long as there even a teensy bit of identification remaining with anything that appears, with any perceivable, be it a subtle sense or even the most primordial and undeniable, yet, still, an arising sense of aliveness...vitality, there's been a failure at the summit of 2nd mountain.  What most often happens is there is a glimmer/seeing through/absence that mind then leaps in to fill....with that, in minds attempts to grasp the absence and keep itself relevant, there is often a woo-woo/mystical experience that leaves the seeker in deep awe and reverence...of course that sense of awe and reverence, in mind, takes precedence over the informing of an absence...it's just the way mind works and this explains the rut of endless seeking so many a seeker has encountered as he pursues what he imagines freedom/liberation to be. The seeing through of ALL appearance must be total and complete....ALL identifications severed and dissolved for full integration (I am all of it) to be apprehended in a way that does not amount to the acquisition of additive, relative knowledge (mistaken for Absolute/transcendent knowing/seeing). That full integration is 'full circle/3rd mountain realization.' I would not say SR/awakening even IS until that full circle/integration is the case. Otherwise, we still have mind ultimately running the show....clinging to certain specific, sacred ideas and propping them up with the desperate need of an SVP that needs to keep itself in the pic. |
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