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Post by Figgles on Aug 27, 2019 23:34:49 GMT
Right, well, his position seems to me that this sort of dialog is a distraction from the forums intended content. ZD's expressed the same sentiment in the past. This isn't to validate that position, simple to recognize it. The purpose of sending us to the corner to pet frogs and talk about distracting bullshit nonsense was to remove that nonsense from the more elevated threads. The only reason that didn't work is that the high level discussion participants couldn't stay away from the nonsense thread, so it had to be ended.  Precisely! |
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Post by muttley on Aug 27, 2019 23:57:31 GMT
Right, well, his position seems to me that this sort of dialog is a distraction from the forums intended content. ZD's expressed the same sentiment in the past. This isn't to validate that position, simple to recognize it. The purpose of sending us to the corner to pet frogs and talk about distracting bullshit nonsense was to remove that nonsense from the more elevated threads. The only reason that didn't work is that the high level discussion participants couldn't stay away from the nonsense thread, so it had to be ended. Sure, more or less, I'd say that's about right.  |
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Post by muttley on Aug 28, 2019 0:13:57 GMT
Right, well, his position seems to me that this sort of dialog is a distraction from the forums intended content. ZD's expressed the same sentiment in the past. This isn't to validate that position, simple to recognize it. Oh yeah, that's indeed what he says, and ZD too. I'd say they both shrink away from direct challenge pretty much to the same degree. (They both seem to find it intolerable) It's all good so long as they get to be the unchallenged authority....but the moment someone dig or prods a little into their assertions, suddenly there's an issue with content not conforming to forums intended content.  It's pretty silly really. A perfect display of non-acceptance/attachment on both their parts, if you ask me. Surely readership and participation itself should serve as an indicator as to forum interest and lately with a little conversation flowing over there, all that's been up. To really get to the bottom of things, I'd ask them both to really 'drill down' to look at why they find direct challenge of their own ideas so intolerable...and also why they seem to value a forum where folks are mostly sharing pics and poems, woo-woo experiences and favorite songs over spiritual conversations/debates. Oh wait....I gave away a koan answer! 
Weeellll I'd be mincing words if I didn't express this next opinion. Your thought processes seem far more ordered to me these days than they did five years ago, but then again maybe it seems that way to me because I tend to agree with your position in most of your debates these times around. I do think that an objective case could be made and I'm sure you'll express a different opinion about what it was like for you back then.
But ideological challenges don't have to be personalized. Seems to me you have an intense and focused, personal interest in the realization status of people who challenge your realization status or who criticize the ideas you use to express what you've realized. This isn't to say that I haven't generated content from the same interest in the past, but the intensity and relentlessness that you pursue it is significant, and might be an opportunity for you. It's sort of a flip-side, mirror image to constant status updates and competing in the enlightenment game. Call it, if you will, the "you're NOT enlightened" game. To be clear, I also see that same pattern going on to some extent, with some of the people on the other side of your dialogs.
And ST management has complained about the pics, poems and songs at various times over the years as well. |
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Post by muttley on Aug 28, 2019 0:33:15 GMT
His character is destined that way. I knew this very long back but when you were close friend of him once you did not notice that. Now you are noticing the truth that he has not known or realized not even a single thing . I'm willing to admit that I was not able to see some things about him, but there's also volumes of evidence unearthed by Figs that makes it clear something has radically changed. To some extent I see that as a change in terminology. He's adapted "camouflage" from the Jane Roberts Seth material, and I think there's a translation between that and when he used the word "appearance" in the past. The interest in kensho was definitely more of a shift in perspective, but one that I'd guess he'd likely characterize as an informing of mind. I didn't notice him addressing that shift in what he wrote in response to figs bringing up what he used to write about experience. |
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Post by muttley on Aug 28, 2019 0:58:12 GMT
In the big scheme of things, despite a few kicks and prods from all directions, it's all been pretty tame as I see it...certainly no cause for locking down a thread where conversation was flowing. I agree wit dat. I think everybody has held themselves in check at least a little bit, and maybe acknowledging that would have been more productive than locking the thread. I've telepathitically channeled reefs and he's saying: "Shaun don't pay me enough to keep doing that.  " |
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Post by Enigma on Aug 28, 2019 12:46:47 GMT
Oh yeah, that's indeed what he says, and ZD too. I'd say they both shrink away from direct challenge pretty much to the same degree. (They both seem to find it intolerable) It's all good so long as they get to be the unchallenged authority....but the moment someone dig or prods a little into their assertions, suddenly there's an issue with content not conforming to forums intended content. It's pretty silly really. A perfect display of non-acceptance/attachment on both their parts, if you ask me. Surely readership and participation itself should serve as an indicator as to forum interest and lately with a little conversation flowing over there, all that's been up. To really get to the bottom of things, I'd ask them both to really 'drill down' to look at why they find direct challenge of their own ideas so intolerable...and also why they seem to value a forum where folks are mostly sharing pics and poems, woo-woo experiences and favorite songs over spiritual conversations/debates. Oh wait....I gave away a koan answer!
Weeellll I'd be mincing words if I didn't express this next opinion. Your thought processes seem far more ordered to me these days than they did five years ago, but then again maybe it seems that way to me because I tend to agree with your position in most of your debates these times around. I do think that an objective case could be made and I'm sure you'll express a different opinion about what it was like for you back then.
But ideological challenges don't have to be personalized. Seems to me you have an intense and focused, personal interest in the realization status of people who challenge your realization status or who criticize the ideas you use to express what you've realized. This isn't to say that I haven't generated content from the same interest in the past, but the intensity and relentlessness that you pursue it is significant, and might be an opportunity for you. It's sort of a flip-side, mirror image to constant status updates and competing in the enlightenment game. Call it, if you will, the "you're NOT enlightened" game. To be clear, I also see that same pattern going on to some extent, with some of the people on the other side of your dialogs.
And ST management has complained about the pics, poems and songs at various times over the years as well. I think we're talking almost exclusively about Satch. I chose not to play the most enlightened game, and Figs chose to counter his self promotion. Nothing wrong with either approach, as I see it. BTW, the Satch self promo is likely unconscious, which is why I kept pointing out what was happening. |
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Post by Enigma on Aug 28, 2019 12:49:59 GMT
I agree wit dat. I think everybody has held themselves in check at least a little bit, and maybe acknowledging that would have been more productive than locking the thread. I've telepathitically channeled reefs and he's saying: "Shaun don't pay me enough to keep doing that. " To keep doing what, acknowledging progress?  Hey, maybe Shaun should give him a raise. Like maybe even double his pay?  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 13:09:56 GMT
I think we're talking almost exclusively about Satch. I chose not to play the most enlightened game, and Figs chose to counter his self promotion. Nothing wrong with either approach, as I see it. BTW, the Satch self promo is likely unconscious, which is why I kept pointing out what was happening.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 13:17:09 GMT
oo... vewy vewy evil!!! Don't know why, but I love the scowl on the face of the one to the right. Every time I see it I laugh out loud! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 13:21:15 GMT
I think we're talking almost exclusively about Satch. I chose not to play the most enlightened game, and Figs chose to counter his self promotion. Nothing wrong with either approach, as I see it. BTW, the Satch self promo is likely unconscious, which is why I kept pointing out what was happening. Can you play the Temptations- I Wish It Would Rain on that ting? I just don't feel like mowing grass today.... |
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