Esponja
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Post by Esponja on Apr 30, 2023 23:58:42 GMT
The illusory mind has a hard time living in the world and out of it yet that is my current experience. Deep grief and sadness along deep clarity and knowing.
Living the dream fully yet knowing you’re dreaming.
A bizarre experience…..
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Post by ghostofmuttley on May 2, 2023 10:40:18 GMT
Realizing the existential truth is when things first start to get .. interesting. 
You see, your individuated conditioning, and the conditions that you find yourself in .. these are exactly the same in the moment prior-to realization as in the moment immediately after. The realization is sideways to time, and is of timelessness itself. And then. Life goes on.
Very poignant share spongy. Raw, honest, and borderline poetic.
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Post by Figgles on May 2, 2023 17:53:18 GMT
Realizing the existential truth is when things first start to get .. interesting. You see, your individuated conditioning, and the conditions that you find yourself in .. these are exactly the same in the moment prior-to realization as in the moment immediately after. The realization is sideways to time, and is of timelessness itself. And then. Life goes on.
Very poignant share spongy. Raw, honest, and borderline poetic.
"Exactly" the same? Do you not consider the pre-SR/awakened, erroneous imagining of separation/SVP itself to be a sort of conditioning...an apparent condition? I do, and there's a whole host of other appearing conditions then, that ride along with that that go 'poof' when the SVP goes... But I do very much agree that the basic appearing world, complete with likes and dislikes.....people cared about, feelings relative to that, etc, continues to arise/appear post SR....it's just now absent that erroneous overlay of separation/SVP and THAT makes for quite a different experience OF the world. In SR, absent an SVP, feelings no longer have that overlay of separation behind them....thus, they don't get tethered into place and instead are fluid...arising, falling, naturally...no problem with them as there is no imagined SVP in place judging those feelings to be wrong/bad....something that 'should not' be arising. In that, there's no stickiness. Feelings arise as they do and there's no one in the mix to try to control them or quell them.... The realization/seeing through of separation is indeed beyond time, beyond anything at all that can be captured by mind, and indeed, life most surely post SR, continues on, but it continues on absent the excess baggage of the SVP and all the erroneous ideas/beliefs that tag along with that. |
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Post by Figgles on May 2, 2023 18:06:07 GMT
The illusory mind has a hard time living in the world and out of it yet that is my current experience. Deep grief and sadness along deep clarity and knowing. Living the dream fully yet knowing you’re dreaming. A bizarre experience….. A beautiful testament to the fact that being awake does not mean the disappearance of the world, the cessation of interest in appearance, an absence of caring deeply about family, friends...those who appear in the story. & It's that 'deep clarity and knowing,' that means there's an absence of that overlay of mind that anchors feelings of loss into the experience...the absence of an imagined SVP in the mix that anchors in a sense of loss/sorrow, and in that absence, feelings then are so much more fluid....they arise and fall 'naturally,' absent judgment, as thoughts and memories also naturally arise, absent judgment....might be a sense of sorrow one second and then a beautiful feeling of peace/joy moving in...co-mingling....a feeling of loss simultaneous to a feeling of peace as the ultimate perfection and transient nature of life is seen/known...and everything in between. |
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Post by Esponja on May 3, 2023 6:29:32 GMT
The illusory mind has a hard time living in the world and out of it yet that is my current experience. Deep grief and sadness along deep clarity and knowing. Living the dream fully yet knowing you’re dreaming. A bizarre experience….. A beautiful testament to the fact that being awake does not mean the disappearance of the world, the cessation of interest in appearance, an absence of caring deeply about family, friends...those who appear in the story. & It's that 'deep clarity and knowing,' that means there's an absence of that overlay of mind that anchors feelings of loss into the experience...the absence of an imagined SVP in the mix that anchors in a sense of loss/sorrow, and in that absence, feelings then are so much more fluid....they arise and fall 'naturally,' absent judgment, as thoughts and memories also naturally arise, absent judgment....might be a sense of sorrow one second and then a beautiful feeling of peace/joy moving in...co-mingling....a feeling of loss simultaneous to a feeling of peace as the ultimate perfection and transient nature of life is seen/known...and everything in between. Again, a beautiful way with words. You described ‘my’ experience to a tee… |
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Post by Esponja on May 4, 2023 4:03:50 GMT
Realizing the existential truth is when things first start to get .. interesting.
You see, your individuated conditioning, and the conditions that you find yourself in .. these are exactly the same in the moment prior-to realization as in the moment immediately after. The realization is sideways to time, and is of timelessness itself. And then. Life goes on.
Very poignant share spongy. Raw, honest, and borderline poetic.
Thank you. The heart has more voice now. ❤️ |
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Post by Esponja on May 4, 2023 4:07:30 GMT
Realizing the existential truth is when things first start to get .. interesting. You see, your individuated conditioning, and the conditions that you find yourself in .. these are exactly the same in the moment prior-to realization as in the moment immediately after. The realization is sideways to time, and is of timelessness itself. And then. Life goes on.
Very poignant share spongy. Raw, honest, and borderline poetic.
"Exactly" the same? Do you not consider the pre-SR/awakened, erroneous imagining of separation/SVP itself to be a sort of conditioning...an apparent condition? I do, and there's a whole host of other appearing conditions then, that ride along with that that go 'poof' when the SVP goes... But I do very much agree that the basic appearing world, complete with likes and dislikes.....people cared about, feelings relative to that, etc, continues to arise/appear post SR....it's just now absent that erroneous overlay of separation/SVP and THAT makes for quite a different experience OF the world. In SR, absent an SVP, feelings no longer have that overlay of separation behind them....thus, they don't get tethered into place and instead are fluid...arising, falling, naturally...no problem with them as there is no imagined SVP in place judging those feelings to be wrong/bad....something that 'should not' be arising. In that, there's no stickiness. Feelings arise as they do and there's no one in the mix to try to control them or quell them.... The realization/seeing through of separation is indeed beyond time, beyond anything at all that can be captured by mind, and indeed, life most surely post SR, continues on, but it continues on absent the excess baggage of the SVP and all the erroneous ideas/beliefs that tag along with that. Yes very true. It’s the same but different. 🤷🏻♀️. An example being, a friend of mine hasn’t shown up much for me lately and although some thoughts appear around that, feeling hurt, upset -it’s more from love not ego none of the other rubbish, ‘she clearly doesn’t care about me’ ‘she’s got better things to do’ ‘she should come’. |
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