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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 20:47:53 GMT
I'm sorry if you felt insulted by my choise of words. They indeed were meant to provoke but not to insult you. I am here, fully willing to engage with you. I am listening intently to what you have to say here. I would say our divergent opinions themselves are 'provoking' enough interest for the conversation to carry forward. No need to apologize for not agreeing. AT all. I really do welcome divergent viewpoints. to the bolded; Yes. And I've quite clearly (in my estimation) told you so, several times over. I am not dismissing your point of view in my saying it is a matter of 'where' you look/see from. Vantage point really is everything. I can and have seen from the one you are seeing from when you criticize those teachings. You seem to want to be able to express your opinions but become angered when another disagrees...? Why is that?Yup. I'm more apt to become angered over perceived injustices that involve others too....although, from a broader vantage point, I can clearly see that those perceived injustices involving others, are still very much about and pertaining to a 'me,' far more than I might have previously thought. After all, Judgement, All judgment, even those that seem altruistic, are 'personal' in nature. I'm not saying you are wrong in your interpretation, just that I see it differently and that the different ways we see it, involve quite a different overall vantage point regarding our respective worlds, in general. There really is no problem in that as I see it. You are entitled to your view and I am entitled to mine. I just don't get how or why anger has to arise when those viewpoints are being compared. Is there something 'wrong' with anger? The better question as I see it is; Is there something wrong with taking all this physical life business too seriously, with making mountains out of mole-hills, with squandering precious moments of life to fight against stuff that I have no control over..?Only you can answer the question; Is my anger 'wrong.' If you were being honest there, and you actually had to stop watching the Abe video to regroup before you were able to proceed with this convo, then in my estimation, that's a pretty intense level of anger....getting close even to rage...which from where I sit, yeah, considering the circumstances from which it's arising, does speak to the anger being somewhat 'problematic,'
But really, it's not so much the anger itself, but what gives rise to that intensity of it, when all you are looking at is a spiritual teaching that does not resonate with you....how or why is that happening...? In the whole scheme of things you perceive to be going wrong in this world, just seems kinda strange that Esther Hicks is presently garnering the bulk of your outrage. That's my personal judgement in play though. It is interesting that you're not much talking about the content of the video I posted but more about my reaction to it. I'm not trying to convince you of anything, although I was provocative in my expression, what sometimes seem to be my style of communication, somehow, or maybe is just a character flaw of mine. Anyway....I have nothing to gain by trying to convince you of having the same point of view than I have regarding this topic here. How can we have a discussion about anything without at least slightely differing/different viewpointws? I'm able to see/understand the viewpoint you and Esther/Abraham are having regarding so called loa, as far as I watched a few videos of her talking about it . It's not that I don't understand what she is driving at. I don't even neccessarily disagree with what I'm so far getting about what she is saying. I was just expressing something I felt the need to express. For what reasons ever. That's all. And as you can easily see in my style of writing, I'm not not identified with some kind of sense of (personal) "I" and don't claim any kind of special status or level of realization other than me being me which feels kinda good energetically. IOW, I like myself and my own company. But now I'm really getting outta here for a while. Thanks for having me, Figgles. It's always interesting to have a conversation with you. And at least we have figured out we're on the same spot regarding Donald Trump. |
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Post by Figgles on May 24, 2017 21:02:10 GMT
It is interesting that you're not much talking about the content of the video I posted but more about my reaction to it. Yeah. I guess beyond my saying that we're looking from different places, there's not much for me to say.....and that really is because I 'get' what you're saying...it's not 'wrong' per se, but just looking from a different angle from where I'm looking from. I can't really argue against what you are saying as from the vantage point of believing the world is in crisis and much has gone wrong, your assertions about AH are perfectly reasonable. me neither, that's why I'm not feeling inclined I guess, to talk about the content. Perfect....not really anything more than that you could ask for. Self love is All imo. You're so welcome Anja...you too.....stop by anytime!! yes!  ...hehe....  |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 10:12:01 GMT
"Enlightenment means literally aligning to the Energy of my Source. And genius is only about focusing. Law of Attraction takes care of everything else. Physical humans often want to make enlightenment about finding some process and moving through the process that has been pre-described. But true enlightenment is moving to the rhythm of the internal inspiration that is coming in response to the individual desire. Enlightenment is about allowing my Connection to the Source that is me for the fulfillment of the things that I have individually defined here in my time-space-reality. That's as good as it gets!" --- Abraham Excerpted from the workshop in Boulder, CO on Saturday, June 7th, 2003 Here is my genuine desire I wish (actually demand) to be manifested, as a co-creator of my own reality, by the law of attraction: Before any kind of desire by any kind of co-creating entity will be made into actual reality, it has to be assured that this desire, even if genuine, isn’t going against the very foundation of the source of life itself we all, who are embodied on planet earth right now, depend upon. IOW, before any kind of personal desire, whatsoever, can be fullfilled and manifested, the higher and more important genuine desire to sustain, maintain, protect and increase the sphere Nature as such will have, as the source of life on earth, will constantely be increased from now on. That is considered as the most important manifestation to be made into reality by all entities who wish to further eat and drink from Natures gifts and thereby depend upon it. Please let the consciousness/awareness increase to recognize this as the most important goal for all humanity. Sustaining the very foundation of life itself on earth by increasing Natures sphere everywhere on earth as most important. Increasing its sphere through re-forestation where ever it is possible, and using all other known means to keep the oceans and rivers and the air as clean from pollution as possible by reducing humanities use of any kind of products that require an unreasonably huge amount of resources to produce and sell. Please let the rule for productivity, the economic rule as such on planet earth, be the following: Maximising profits for the sake of it is forbitten and considered as a violation of the natural harmonie humanity and Nature are in when undisturbed by unnatural wants, needs and desires produced by an economy that is using advertisements and that deals in maximising profits without having any higher purpose than that. Every product that requires unreasonable huge amounts of resources to be produced, sustained and delivered to its custumers/users has to be justified as being a genuine, neccessary, important and survival related tool for the majority of people on earth, who require that particular product for their survival. The production of a product, any product, should not harm the producer(s) of the product, the environment (Nature) or the community of humanity as such. Thanks and praises to the spirit of Love. Thank you. |
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Post by Figgles on May 25, 2017 15:58:05 GMT
"Enlightenment means literally aligning to the Energy of my Source. And genius is only about focusing. Law of Attraction takes care of everything else. Physical humans often want to make enlightenment about finding some process and moving through the process that has been pre-described. But true enlightenment is moving to the rhythm of the internal inspiration that is coming in response to the individual desire. Enlightenment is about allowing my Connection to the Source that is me for the fulfillment of the things that I have individually defined here in my time-space-reality. That's as good as it gets!" --- Abraham Excerpted from the workshop in Boulder, CO on Saturday, June 7th, 2003 Here is my genuine desire I wish (actually demand) to be manifested, as a co-creator of my own reality, by the law of attraction: Before any kind of desire by any kind of co-creating entity will be made into actual reality, it has to be assured that this desire, even if genuine, isn’t going against the very foundation of the source of life itself we all, who are embodied on planet earth right now, depend upon. IOW, before any kind of personal desire, whatsoever, can be fullfilled and manifested, the higher and more important genuine desire to sustain, maintain, protect and increase the sphere Nature as such will have, as the source of life on earth, will constantely be increased from now on. That is considered as the most important manifestation to be made into reality by all entities who wish to further eat and drink from Natures gifts and thereby depend upon it. Please let the consciousness/awareness increase to recognize this as the most important goal for all humanity. Sustaining the very foundation of life itself on earth by increasing Natures sphere everywhere on earth as most important. Increasing its sphere through re-forestation where ever it is possible, and using all other known means to keep the oceans and rivers and the air as clean from pollution as possible by reducing humanities use of any kind of products that require an unreasonably huge amount of resources to produce and sell. Please let the rule for productivity, the economic rule as such on planet earth, be the following: Maximising profits for the sake of it is forbitten and considered as a violation of the natural harmonie humanity and Nature are in when undisturbed by unnatural wants, needs and desires produced by an economy that is using advertisements and that deals in maximising profits without having any higher purpose than that. Every product that requires unreasonable huge amounts of resources to be produced, sustained and delivered to its custumers/users has to be justified as being a genuine, neccessary, important and survival related tool for the majority of people on earth, who require that particular product for their survival. The production of a product, any product, should not harm the producer(s) of the product, the environment (Nature) or the community of humanity as such. Thanks and praises to the spirit of Love. Thank you. |
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Post by Figgles on Jun 9, 2017 15:26:51 GMT
"Your action has nothing to do with your abundance! Your abundance is a response to your vibration. Of course, your belief is part of your vibration. So if you believe that action is part of what brings your abundance, then you’ve got to unravel that."
Excerpted from Chicago, IL on 4/24/99
No doubt, 'unraveling' that belief isn't the easiest, as the action approach for most of us has been deeply imbedded into our psyche. It really does at first seem counter-intuitive to choose to engage in an activity that is purely for relaxation or enjoyment, when you've got a long 'to do' list facing you, but as AH teach, the leverage you gain by engaging those doings from a position of alignment vs. non-alignment, is huge........not to mention, once you're in alignment, stuff on your list has an uncanny way of taking care of itself, sometimes in ways that seem almost magical.
It's important too to understand that AH are not advocating the avoidance of action...but rather, taking action when you feel inspired to do so, vs. feeling it is a chore, or something you 'have' to do.
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Post by Figgles on Jun 14, 2017 17:52:43 GMT
What others are doing around you seems very important when you have not found your own steadiness. You want to say to them, “Don’t rock my boat! If you rock my boat, I can’t be steady.” But the truth of it is, you’re the only boat-rocker in your world. Only you can rock your boat.
Excerpted from Phoenix, AZ on 2/1/14
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Post by Figgles on Jun 18, 2017 19:30:06 GMT
A cool way to put it: "The individual attachment to the vibration that disallows the well-being from flowing." TBH, I've never really looked at that propensity towards that negative vibration in that way, as an 'attachment,' per se, but when I do, it resonates....as that's really what draws one there, and holds attention towards that direction of things.
And when you apply that to the whole idea of bondage and how democracy or the lack thereof, figures in, it becomes even more clear.
Drives home the point that even under the most repressive of govt's, one can have the 'experience' of freedom...that really, that experience is all about vibration, and vibration can arise completely independent of conditions.
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Post by gabbynonstop on Jun 18, 2017 23:47:48 GMT
A cool way to put it: "The individual attachment to the vibration that disallows the well-being from flowing." TBH, I've never really looked at that propensity towards that negative vibration in that way, as an 'attachment,' per se, but when I do, it resonates....as that's really what draws one there, and holds attention towards that direction of things. And when you apply that to the whole idea of bondage and how democracy or the lack thereof, figures in, it becomes even more clear. Drives home the point that even under the most repressive of govt's, one can have the 'experience' of freedom...that really, that experience is all about vibration, and vibration can arise completely independent of conditions. People that sit on anothers head and practice smothering is a similar example of an Individual's attachment to the vibration that disallows the well-being from flowing or flourishing, as the case maybe. lolaughter First the person who is domineering, silences its other hemishere, claiming right over left then feeling totally RIGHT it moves toward others to inject its half-truths in the hope that they know not themselves and becomes their teacher; the blind leading the blind. |
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Post by Figgles on Jun 19, 2017 14:57:22 GMT
A cool way to put it: "The individual attachment to the vibration that disallows the well-being from flowing." TBH, I've never really looked at that propensity towards that negative vibration in that way, as an 'attachment,' per se, but when I do, it resonates....as that's really what draws one there, and holds attention towards that direction of things. And when you apply that to the whole idea of bondage and how democracy or the lack thereof, figures in, it becomes even more clear. Drives home the point that even under the most repressive of govt's, one can have the 'experience' of freedom...that really, that experience is all about vibration, and vibration can arise completely independent of conditions. People that sit on anothers head and practice smothering is a similar example of an Individual's attachment to the vibration that disallows the well-being from flowing or flourishing, as the case maybe. lolaughter First the person who is domineering, silences its other hemishere, claiming right over left then feeling totally RIGHT it moves toward others to inject its half-truths in the hope that they know not themselves and becomes their teacher; the blind leading the blind. Haha...another cool way to put it.  |
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Post by Figgles on Jul 17, 2017 22:46:31 GMT
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...hehe....
