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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 12:01:21 GMT
Whatever the mind thinks of, that alone it sees... ...while it is non of its buisness to critizise what the heart says about it. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 12:44:45 GMT
Whatever the mind thinks of, that alone it sees... ...while it is non of its buisness to critizise what the heart says about it. Vasana be tricky. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 12:50:48 GMT
The soul which remains after its renunciation of all desire, is in the cool calmness of itself, the liberated state. -Vashistha
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 14:01:26 GMT
...while it is non of its buisness to critizise what the heart says about it. Vasana be tricky. Samsara illuminates. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 15:15:10 GMT
Of course. Two Fullnesses. |
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Post by Figgles on May 24, 2017 16:22:48 GMT
Since you have not adressed what I was trying to point out, I assume you can’t do that because it would go against your bs (believe system) and that would create cognitive and spiritual dissonace in you. Therefore let me break it down for you what I see/hear/feel/sense happing in the video I posted. Why assume the worst Anja? I did not address what you were trying to point out, because i did not know specifically what it was about that video that riled you so much. And why the need to start with the denigration? It's mild, but it's there, and I sense you might just be getting revved up. I've been nothing but civil to you in this discussion. You say you value a kinder world, but the moment someone does not see eye to eye with you about that, anger arises..?...and you think it's ok to start being less than polite...? If you despise the way humans mistreat other humans, it starts right there; The moment there is a difference in opinion and anger arises and with it, the idea that because of that, it's ok to start jabbing. I do get how it can sound like that. It's all about where you're standing though as you listen. Vantage point is everything. Keep in mind, She/Abraham is addressing a man that willingly came to their workshop...he was seeking their point of view. She is not randomly going up to someone in the street who has not asked for answers, to tell them that on some level, they have 'asked' for the lousy circumstances they are currently receiving. if that was so, I'd agree with the points you're making. While you are meditating, rather than just trying to quell those feelings so you can continue, why not inquire into why they are arising? (and I don't mean justifying them, but really getting to the mechanism behind their arising...looking AT the anger itself...). |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 17:51:08 GMT
Since you have not adressed what I was trying to point out, I assume you can’t do that because it would go against your bs (believe system) and that would create cognitive and spiritual dissonace in you. Therefore let me break it down for you what I see/hear/feel/sense happing in the video I posted. Why assume the worst Anja? I did not address what you were trying to point out, because i did not know specifically what it was about that video that riled you so much. And why the need to start with the denigration? It's mild, but it's there, and I sense you might just be getting revved up. I've been nothing but civil to you in this discussion. You say you value a kinder world, but the moment someone does not see eye to eye with you about that, anger arises..?...and you think it's ok to start being less than polite...? If you despise the way humans mistreat other humans, it starts right there; The moment there is a difference in opinion and anger arises and with it, the idea that because of that, it's ok to start jabbing. I do get how it can sound like that. It's all about where you're standing though as you listen. Vantage point is everything. Keep in mind, She/Abraham is addressing a man that willingly came to their workshop...he was seeking their point of view. She is not randomly going up to someone in the street who has not asked for answers, to tell them that on some level, they have 'asked' for the lousy circumstances they are currently receiving. if that was so, I'd agree with the points you're making. While you are meditating, rather than just trying to quell those feelings so you can continue, why not inquire into why they are arising? (and I don't mean justifying them, but really getting to the mechanism behind their arising...looking AT the anger itself...).I'm sorry if you felt insulted by my choise of words. They indeed were meant to provoke but not to insult you. And I appollogize again for saying want I have to say after reading your response. You actually proved my point by defending her, Esther Hicks, the way you do it here. And in a strange and a bit twisted way I understand your point. And even hers. Do you understand mine also? I'm not afraid of (righteous) anger. Not of my own and not of those of others. I'm basically never angry about stuff that happens to myself. I don't hold anything against anybody who ever did me wrong, if that even ever was the case anyway. But if I see others to be treated in a way I don't approve of, I get angry. One might recommend to not interfere with other peoples affairs, like somehow Esther/Abraham does. And I can see the point in it too. "Don't speak out against it. They are just..... It only will get us in trouble." Are you saying you're not getting/understanding what I see/feel/hear/perceive and interpretate in that video at all? I might be wrong, indeed. But am I really that far off with my perception and interpretation of Esthers show? And are you saying that there is something wrong with anger as such? "Anger is an energy." John Lydon |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 18:25:19 GMT
Why assume the worst Anja? I did not address what you were trying to point out, because i did not know specifically what it was about that video that riled you so much. And why the need to start with the denigration? It's mild, but it's there, and I sense you might just be getting revved up. I've been nothing but civil to you in this discussion. You say you value a kinder world, but the moment someone does not see eye to eye with you about that, anger arises..?...and you think it's ok to start being less than polite...? If you despise the way humans mistreat other humans, it starts right there; The moment there is a difference in opinion and anger arises and with it, the idea that because of that, it's ok to start jabbing. I do get how it can sound like that. It's all about where you're standing though as you listen. Vantage point is everything. Keep in mind, She/Abraham is addressing a man that willingly came to their workshop...he was seeking their point of view. She is not randomly going up to someone in the street who has not asked for answers, to tell them that on some level, they have 'asked' for the lousy circumstances they are currently receiving. if that was so, I'd agree with the points you're making. While you are meditating, rather than just trying to quell those feelings so you can continue, why not inquire into why they are arising? (and I don't mean justifying them, but really getting to the mechanism behind their arising...looking AT the anger itself...).I'm sorry if you felt insulted by my choise of words. They indeed were meant to provoke but not to insult you. And I appollogize again for saying want I have to say after reading your response. You actually proved my point by defending her, Esther Hicks, the way you do it here. And in a strange and a bit twisted way I understand your point. And even hers. Do you understand mine also? I'm not afraid of (righteous) anger. Not of my own and not of those of others. I'm basically never angry about stuff that happens to myself. I don't hold anything against anybody who ever did me wrong, if that even ever was the case anyway. But if I see others to be treated in a way I don't approve of, I get angry. One might recommend to not interfere with other peoples affairs, like somehow Esther/Abraham does. And I can see the point in it too. "Don't speak out against it. They are just..... It only will get us in trouble." Are you saying you're not getting/understanding what I see/feel/hear/perceive and interpretate in that video at all? I might be wrong, indeed. But am I really that far off with my perception and interpretation of Esthers show? And are you saying that there is something wrong with anger as such? "Anger is an energy." John Lydon Anger is remembered pain, fear is anticipated pain, guilt is self directed pain. . Cure? Return to Love and Joy. -Deepak |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 18:38:53 GMT
Here is a video you might like, Figgles. And just because I don't resonate with Esther/Abraham Hicks' show and some of the content and style of delivery of her/his teachings, and never read a book by her or even listened to her shows before I came here, doesn't mean I'm not getting why and what for others might very well enjoy her/his message and style.
It's not my intention to spread "negativity" of the sake of it. I was just trying to point out how what she does can also be looked at for the sake of balance.
I think I did my thing, said what I had to say and can leave like it is for now.
Enjoy...
The Resonance Hunter (FULL HD) Abraham-Hicks Channeling Movie:
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Post by Figgles on May 24, 2017 19:14:38 GMT
I'm sorry if you felt insulted by my choise of words. They indeed were meant to provoke but not to insult you. Okay. But why even the need to "provoke"? I am here, fully willing to engage with you. I am listening intently to what you have to say here. I would say our divergent opinions themselves are 'provoking' enough interest for the conversation to carry forward. No need to apologize for not agreeing. AT all. I really do welcome divergent viewpoints. to the bolded; Yes. And I've quite clearly (in my estimation) told you so, several times over. I am not dismissing your point of view in my saying it is a matter of 'where' you look/see from. Vantage point really is everything. I can and have seen from the one you are seeing from when you criticize those teachings. You seem to want to be able to express your opinions but become angered when another disagrees...? Why is that? Yup. I'm more apt to become angered over perceived injustices that involve others too....although, from a broader vantage point, I can clearly see that those perceived injustices involving others, are still very much about and pertaining to a 'me,' far more than I might have previously thought. After all, Judgement, All judgment, even those that seem altruistic, are 'personal' in nature. I'm not saying you are wrong in your interpretation, just that I see it differently and that the different ways we see it, involve quite a different overall vantage point regarding our respective worlds, in general. There really is no problem in that as I see it. You are entitled to your view and I am entitled to mine. I just don't get how or why anger has to arise when those viewpoints are being compared. Is there something 'wrong' with anger? The better question as I see it is; Is there something wrong with taking all this physical life business too seriously, with making mountains out of mole-hills, with squandering precious moments of life to fight against stuff that I have no control over..? Only you can answer the question; Is my anger 'wrong.' If you were being honest there, and you actually had to stop watching the Abe video to regroup before you were able to proceed with this convo, then in my estimation, that's a pretty intense level of anger....getting close even to rage...which from where I sit, yeah, considering the circumstances from which it's arising, does speak to the anger being somewhat 'problematic,' But really, it's not so much the anger itself, but what gives rise to that intensity of it, when all you are looking at is a spiritual teaching that does not resonate with you....how or why is that happening...? In the whole scheme of things you perceive to be going wrong in this world, just seems kinda strange that Esther Hicks is presently garnering the bulk of your outrage. That's my personal judgement in play though. |
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