Mind States vs. SR/Wakefulness

The truly "original stateless state," is devoid of all property/quality. If there is still quietude, stillness, alertness and aliveness arising experientially, even if it's intuitively, very subtly 'sensed' only, then you're merely imagining to have apprehended the "original stateless state." Keep going....further....



The true "realization of" such does not leave you with Absolute/certain, "additive" knowing about qualities/properties that apply to experiential content, to appearance.




What? So you mean there is point whereby one is NOT "embodying the human form" but then goes back to doing so?

The very idea of embodying a human form or not, is way off the mark of what's being pointed to.

If post realization, you are certain "once again" that you are a something that "embodies the human form," then it's clear that you did not actually have "a realization," but instead, are mistaking mind-based ideas and insights, for such.

This idea that there exists a fundamental some-thing that then infuses and imbues itself "Into" the human form, thereby "unifying" the human form with "It," is precisely what gets seen through in SR...the realization of "Not two."



The seeing through of the illusion of separation is the very same seeing of the boundless nature of consciousness...neither of which should be conflated with experiential things being "interconnected." The latter is an in the dream, experiential insight only.




You are describing a relative shift of mind, only. Again, nothing to scoff at, but it's really not "fundamental" at all in the sense that that term is used in Nonduality/Truth-talk.

Waking up "in" the dream, still bound in mind is something very, very different than awakening to see the dream as a dream and thus, no longer being bound within it. What seems "fundamental" when still bound within the dream is a far cry what what the term "fundamental" is pointing to when used to indicate that which lies prior to/beyond the dream. We are really are talking appearance vs. ground. The former is experiential content...the latter is primal...primary....that which abides and gives rise to all.

Those are the atheistic words of a soul lost within her own little mental world of sacred beliefs. No wonder you have no reference for things outside the mind. 

The Truth really will set you free, but it's true, first it will piss off the SVP to no end as it fights against all assertions that threaten it. JLY, you are demonstrating precisely what that 'angry fight of an SVP' looks like.

And how would you suggest I go about doing so, JLY?

That kind of "proof" and the need to receive it, has no place in Truth-talk. If my words and pointers ring hollow to you, so be it. No one is asking you to continue to read my posts or even continue to come to this forum. There are plenty who say they appreciate the pointing and the manner in which is done.

I will just say this; When you find yourself continuing to feel compelled to come to a forum where you read posts that make you feel angry and there's a continued interest in engaging with that one who you keep hurling insults at, suggesting she is full of shit, etc, there's very likely something else going on there than just being a beggar for punishment.

It really is true that before the Truth sets you free, it often makes you mad as hell. I say it's an auspicious place to be when the SVP is rearing up against the espousing of Truth, to try any way it can, to not merely refute it/challenge said pointing, but to lash out at the one espousing those pointers.

Have you noticed how you have zero in the way of actual, direct counters/rebuttals to my pointers that you are insist are nothing but a fool's mental stance being mistaken for Truth? You are very good at telling me I'm wrong...missing the mark, but you are unable to explain how/why......

Notice on the other hand, how I am more than able to explain in great detail where I see conceptualization within your assertions?