Esponja
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Post by Esponja on Aug 25, 2022 13:27:31 GMT
A friend of mine was talking about the power of forgiveness but I couldn’t help but think, who is forgiving anyone and in now presence what could there possibly be to forgive! That is forgiveness.
Same for gratitude. No-body needs to be grateful because already it implies not being grateful. Your being IS grateful and forgivinv because it’s Wholeness.
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Post by Figgles on Aug 25, 2022 19:07:38 GMT
A friend of mine was talking about the power of forgiveness but I couldn’t help but think, who is forgiving anyone and in now presence what could there possibly be to forgive! That is forgiveness. Yup. True For-giveness, really is seeing there is no-thing to forgive....no-one who can or needs to forgive anything. Forgiveness then, is purely an experience related to personhood....and nothing at all wrong with such an experience, so long as ultimately, there's clarity as to the way mind is invoking, first off, a condition that requires forgiving, secondly a someone who can forgive it. That's perfectly put. A sense of gratitude always has a seed of lack/limit to it....'I am grateful for this, because, I know there is limitation/lack' kind of thing. Again, limitation/lack are at times appearing facets of experience, even though there is a higher, inclusive seeing that puts that in its place. So, it's still possible that a sense of gratitude might arise for a sage as the story unfolds...again, the key is, seeing it for what it is...a facet of the dream that is correlated with the 'personal experience.' |
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Post by Esponja on Aug 26, 2022 1:04:13 GMT
A friend of mine was talking about the power of forgiveness but I couldn’t help but think, who is forgiving anyone and in now presence what could there possibly be to forgive! That is forgiveness. Yup. True For-giveness, really is seeing there is no-thing to forgive....no-one who can or needs to forgive anything. Forgiveness then, is purely an experience related to personhood....and nothing at all wrong with such an experience, so long as ultimately, there's clarity as to the way mind is invoking, first off, a condition that requires forgiving, secondly a someone who can forgive it. That's perfectly put. A sense of gratitude always has a seed of lack/limit to it....'I am grateful for this, because, I know there is limitation/lack' kind of thing. Again, limitation/lack are at times appearing facets of experience, even though there is a higher, inclusive seeing that puts that in its place. So, it's still possible that a sense of gratitude might arise for a sage as the story unfolds...again, the key is, seeing it for what it is...a facet of the dream that is correlated with the 'personal experience.' Thanks. Yes the conditioning and programming still arises for even Sages am sure. It’s such a radical place to ‘be’, we’ve been so trained to think in dualistic ways that not doing so sounds almost ‘cold’ for those still attached to svp. I find it difficult now conversing with spiritual peeps. I don’t like to say, well actually there’s no doer, no free-will etc so mostly stay quiet and leave them to their illusions. That’s not a judgment thing, if anything, it’s ‘love’. |
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