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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2022 0:13:56 GMT
There you go again erroneously asserting bridges between the dream and transcendent seeing. There are none. You're not going to find the fundamental Truth by looking at dream-content. Only a seeing from beyond/prior to mind will do. The seeing through/absence of the separate volitional person, of separation in general is not an experience within the dream. Oneness is not a conceptual something nor an experience that appears. It's the fundamental reality/Truth. The sense of separation is more than just an erroneous assumption, although that is a facet of it for sure...but ultimately, that sense of separation = a locus of seeing that is mired in the dream...the apprehension of Truth requires a shift in that locus, to beyond/prior to mind. You can spend a lifetime looking AT mind...trying to unravel unconscious assumptions about what's going on, but absent that shift, at best all you'll have is a mere conceptual grasp of what Nonduality is indicating. Well said! |
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Post by Figgles on Oct 10, 2022 19:17:33 GMT
Yup, well said... even the term "spontaneously appearing/arising," cannot capture, although it seems like about the best pointer I've personally encountered to date.
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Post by Figgles on Oct 10, 2022 19:39:27 GMT
Ultimately, there is no-thing, no conceptual understanding by which 'knowledge' relating to the question at hand there, can be arrived at. That's really what "not knowing" IS. An absence of knowledge about the dream and the 'hows & whys' of how the dream unfolds.
There are some who insist that there is a 'realization' that adds to the knowledge bank, that is somehow other than 'mind/conceptual knowing,' but that's akin to saying that there can be a realization as to the ph level of the water that lies in the Oasis/mirage.
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Post by Figgles on Nov 25, 2022 18:29:05 GMT
What does that mean? Telepathy is Truth? That you know for absolute certain that there can be assertion of 'your' thoughts into another's mind?
There's a realization/seeing through that can put that all in it's place; Realizing Oneness reveals there is no-one/no-thing giving rise to/thinking thoughts....that that's just 'how it seems,' when still asleep within the dream/story.
And...here's the real kicker; There are ultimately, fundamentally, no 'others,'.....while numerous/multiple characters, including the 'me character,' appear within the dream, ultimately, they are all empty appearance only, arising dependent upon, not separate from, the abiding ground of awareness.
The experience of being a someone/something that 'thinks,' and 'does stuff,' and 'controls stuff,' even the mind's of 'others' who appear, is all seen through, seen to be delusion, in the shift in locus of seeing that is SR/awakening.
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Post by Figgles on Dec 1, 2022 1:24:14 GMT
Yes.
The question; What do I know for absolute certain if you are seeing clearly, will not be met with many answers. All will be direct, imminent, self-evident seeing; I exist, I am aware, I am aware of experiential content, The awareness of the content is primary to the content, the awareness never changes but the content does. Beyond that, you can describe specific arising content, what the experience is, how it seems, but that which you can say for absolute certain that you know to be True, is scant.
You can say it is true that at present you are engaging a belief about how life/creation of experiential content works, but you cannot say for absolute certain that you know precisely how life works. Whatever explanation you arrive at, it's relative knowledge...theorizing...assuming...concluding.
Truth is always about what is clearly, imminently seen/known. No surmising...no theorizing.
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Post by Figgles on Dec 1, 2022 2:14:14 GMT
The answer to that depends on context and whether he is imagining a something/someone that is the doer of 'reading the sentence.'
If so, then yes, ultimately, if we're talking Truth, it is an illusion that there is a 'person/entity/someone/something/a reader' reading the sentence.
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Post by Gopal on Dec 1, 2022 8:00:58 GMT
What does that mean? Telepathy is Truth? That you know for absolute certain that there can be assertion of 'your' thoughts into another's mind? There's a realization/seeing through that can put that all in it's place; Realizing Oneness reveals there is no-one/no-thing giving rise to/thinking thoughts....that that's just 'how it seems,' when still asleep within the dream/story. And...here's the real kicker; There are ultimately, fundamentally, no 'others,'.....while numerous/multiple characters, including the 'me character,' appear within the dream, ultimately, they are all empty appearance only, arising dependent upon, not separate from, the abiding ground of awareness. The experience of being a someone/something that 'thinks,' and 'does stuff,' and 'controls stuff,' even the mind's of 'others' who appear, is all seen through, seen to be delusion, in the shift in locus of seeing that is SR/awakening. There are no others, that's why my thoughts are welling up in my another version of mine. |
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Post by Figgles on Dec 6, 2022 0:40:07 GMT
What does that mean? Telepathy is Truth? That you know for absolute certain that there can be assertion of 'your' thoughts into another's mind? There's a realization/seeing through that can put that all in it's place; Realizing Oneness reveals there is no-one/no-thing giving rise to/thinking thoughts....that that's just 'how it seems,' when still asleep within the dream/story. And...here's the real kicker; There are ultimately, fundamentally, no 'others,'.....while numerous/multiple characters, including the 'me character,' appear within the dream, ultimately, they are all empty appearance only, arising dependent upon, not separate from, the abiding ground of awareness. The experience of being a someone/something that 'thinks,' and 'does stuff,' and 'controls stuff,' even the mind's of 'others' who appear, is all seen through, seen to be delusion, in the shift in locus of seeing that is SR/awakening. There are no others, that's why my thoughts are welling up in my another version of mine. Telepathy with others is experiential only. Not Truth. To know for absolute certain that 'thoughts are welling up in another version of what you are,' you would also then, here and now, know the content of those thoughts. The fact that "sometimes" there is an experience of knowing the thoughts of that so called 'other version,' (telepathy, etc.) would mean then that that knowing comes and goes. By virtue of that 'coming and going,' it's not Truth. This is what Reefs is also missing; He says he's "realized" that every appearing person is experiencing...he says that is not knowledge that is carried from one past experience to the present, but that the knowing is immediate, direct, here and now. BUT, if it were known for absolute certain, directly, here and now, then just as he knows the content of 'his' experience, by virtue of imminent knowing there IS experience arising, he would also necessarily then in a given moment, where he says he knows the other to be experiencing, know the content of that experience. That's what direct knowledge of experience IS. To know there IS an experience arising is to also know the specific content of experience. They go hand in hand. |
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Post by Figgles on Dec 30, 2022 19:02:17 GMT
This is good. Seemingly here, you are acknowledging that your ideas about 'how the universe works,' and thus, 'what I can expect as the story unfolds/in future,' is "a belief" and not a known, Absolute Truth.
Known Absolute Truths are evidence here...now....imminently. They do not depend upon memory...they do not depend upon an amalgamation of past events all lined up in mind in the present, consideration of which, leads into a conclusion.
In Truth-talk, it's of the utmost importance to be clear on what constitutes an Absolute knowing/Truth vs. what constitutes relative knowledge...belief...
Absolute knowing is beyond any all doubt....it's imminent, clearly, obvious, directly seen here and now....self evident.
It's more than understandable that you "believe" the sun will rise tomorrow, but ultimately, you do not know the sun will rise tomorrow with the absolute certaintly that you know the ground of awareness abides and gives rise to all that is temporally appearing in this moment.
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Post by Figgles on Jan 21, 2023 19:38:20 GMT
These are ultimately philosophical questions. If Truth is the context, the highest interest, then 'what do you know...what can be known for Absolute certain,' is the line of inquiry to be taken.
When that line of inquiry is pursued, it becomes clear that much that we think we know for absolute certain, is merely surmising/concluding/imagining.
Outside of awareness, no-thing exists in it's own right. That's what 'no separation' means. If you're not aware of an appearing moon, here, now, via direct experience of an appearing moon, then it's false to say "I know for certain there is a moon outside of my awareness of it."
By what means would you, could you, KNOW that? It could only be relative, assumptive knowledge. To truly know a moon, or a thought of a moon, or a cloud, or a shoe is appearing, it must be appearing, here and now...imminently, directly.
Awareness of an appearance is always imminent, NOW, direct, or, there is not in fact, awareness of that particular appearance...sounds simple but it's amazing the difficulty many have in grasping that.
"What can be known for absolute certain...what DO i know" is the most powerful question that can be asked. But it must be asked with a sincere interest in getting to the bottom of things vs. a philosophizing mind that ultimately wants to prove something.
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