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Post by Theodore on Jun 9, 2017 20:16:46 GMT
Bear with my budding thought, and let me know what you think:
I've had a lot of shit in life, just like most people. After nearly 7 years in spirituality, the shit is more than ever.
Would I participate in this grand debate about the nature of reality if I was happy? Hell no. If I had an easier time with people, especially the opposite gender? Not even at gunpoint. If I felt had more open avenues in life? No.
Spirituality started with an idealistic idea, that all we know is knowing, that all anybody knows is knowing, and that is the ultimate thing that is. It's a very clever idea, and God knows what purpose did it serve when it got out in rural India, and later, ancient Greece.
I know what it serves now. Avoidance. Thousands of people autistically trying to find themselves by looking at their spiritual navel, thousands of hours lost for something so simple that doesn't even exist. At least cigarettes give you nicotine, this opium is literally hope-in-a-box, that somehow knowing what youself is, will make life better, easier, more palatable.
The more you engage in this solipsism-inferred-into-monism, the more you invest in it. The pinnacle of this is spiritual teachers, with their livelihood dependent on the idea that somehow, their particular brand of pseudo-idealism-turned-monism is the case. They sprinkle in some meditation, some 'body work' and TADAAA. Here's a product.
It doesn't matter what you are, there you are. Fill your hunger, your thirst, your emotions, your sexual organs, your mind, your sociality, your sense of family, your needs of occupying this body, your exercise, your finance, fill your sense of excitement, purpose, and adventure. That's what life calls for. Then, having fulfilled all of those satisfyingly (ahahaha), try to see what's missing. Of course there is something, there is always something, see if that something is a concept of idealism (consciousness is all) scribed by guys who lived and died centuries ago in ignorant societies much more different than yours.
Let me tell you spirituality's function: It serves delaying seeking for a solution that may or may not exist, for your life's very practical and throbbing problems.
Let me tell you what spiritual teachers do: They serve you a completely unworkable idea starting up, let you chew up on its irrelevant specifics (does the perceiver perceive himself... who funking cares?), and when you are done, they have to deal with your practical, actual, real-life questions. Then they use whatever actual-life experience they have amassed to deal with your problem, spouting their homemade concepts (unique to every individual teacher), which have no relation with other teachers' concepts.
If that doesn't cut it, they then say that spirituality isn't about those practical problems (lol that's funny), and that they should seek outside assistance. If he's a somewhat realistic one, he will tell you that every human needs shelter and food to be basically satisfied, and each person should seek their own level of emotional and social comfort. Basically they divest the spiritual cure-all value as they run out of spiritual bearings, til spirituality is seen as nothing more than a luxury (if you go far enough in their concept-maze).
Let me say that simpler if I can: They present us with a great, cure-all idea, and then as real problems come up that this idea can't solve, the idea is getting progressively discounted, until you remain with an empty concept.
Life doesn't have A solution. A cure-all, A silver bullet, doesn't exist. Life is funking tough, cruel some of the times, and there is never one solution, there are only your temporary solutions. Nothing really works, not forever. Nothing will save you, because life isn't about saving yourself, not at all. You can't save yourself if you are living, there will always be more shit coming your way. You will get saved when you die, and that's it.
Everything is avoidance that gets annihilated in the long run. Spirituality is another one of them.
Show me a spiritual teacher, and I will show you someone who's having it easier than you, with more practical, life resources and solutions than you. Or someone who's faking it more, at least.
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Post by Silver on Jun 9, 2017 20:33:55 GMT
Beautiful rant, Theodore. likes twice~*  |
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Post by Silver on Jun 9, 2017 21:22:17 GMT
There is one sentence that stood out because I couldn't make sense of it exactly - at all, and that's
"Everything is avoidance that gets annihilated in the long run. Spirituality is another one of them."
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Post by Theodore on Jun 9, 2017 22:11:40 GMT
There is one sentence that stood out because I couldn't make sense of it exactly - at all, and that's " Everything is avoidance that gets annihilated in the long run. Spirituality is another one of them." Yeah, it isn't exactly clear here, either. It's a relative concept. The idea is that we avoid discomfort at any costs, by any means -such as spirituality. We can find more direct solutions to avoid discomfort for a while, but there is always going to be discomfort in life. But the more direct and practical the solution we find, the better. |
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Post by Silver on Jun 9, 2017 22:32:08 GMT
There is one sentence that stood out because I couldn't make sense of it exactly - at all, and that's " Everything is avoidance that gets annihilated in the long run. Spirituality is another one of them." Yeah, it isn't exactly clear here, either. It's a relative concept. The idea is that we avoid discomfort at any costs, by any means -such as spirituality. We can find more direct solutions to avoid discomfort for a while, but there is always going to be discomfort in life. But the more direct and practical the solution we find, the better. Yes, I get that now. If only we had the drug that Lucy took (just watched it for the 1st time last night, now watching it a second time). CPH4. Would be the coolest to feel no pain - I guess.  eta: I know Lucy isn't a great movie - mainly because it's a mishmash of a bunch of different ones - some cool visuals. No matter how we manage to avoid discomfort, dealing with whatever happens after death can't be avoided. Unfortunately, many of us want answers as to what that is - including me. Even if it is impossible. Nothing, including spirituality can provide answers to what happens when we die. I think that's why spirituality loses out in the end. |
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Post by Silver on Jun 10, 2017 18:03:17 GMT
I edited and wrote a little more. ^ ^ ^
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Post by Tenka on Jun 10, 2017 18:26:29 GMT
Had a spirit connection a while back with a dudette named Anne Sullivan . I had a dream coinciding where there was hand symbols being shown . Anyway cutting a long story short she taught a deaf and blind woman helen keller to communicate .
As per norm these peeps are making the rounds and they appeared on a youtube channelled clip that I watched today .
Speaking about the bigger picture regarding sh!te that we experience can you imagine being caged within a mind-body experience being deaf and blind to this world .
She did speak about the contract to experience this lifetime in regards to her overall soul growth ..
Sometimes the most difficult lifetimes bring with it the most rewards ..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 14:18:54 GMT
Bear with my budding thought, and let me know what you think: I've had a lot of shit in life, just like most people. After nearly 7 years in spirituality, the shit is more than ever. Would I participate in this grand debate about the nature of reality if I was happy? Hell no. If I had an easier time with people, especially the opposite gender? Not even at gunpoint. If I felt had more open avenues in life? No. Spirituality started with an idealistic idea, that all we know is knowing, that all anybody knows is knowing, and that is the ultimate thing that is. It's a very clever idea, and God knows what purpose did it serve when it got out in rural India, and later, ancient Greece. I know what it serves now. Avoidance. Thousands of people autistically trying to find themselves by looking at their spiritual navel, thousands of hours lost for something so simple that doesn't even exist. At least cigarettes give you nicotine, this opium is literally hope-in-a-box, that somehow knowing what youself is, will make life better, easier, more palatable. The more you engage in this solipsism-inferred-into-monism, the more you invest in it. The pinnacle of this is spiritual teachers, with their livelihood dependent on the idea that somehow, their particular brand of pseudo-idealism-turned-monism is the case. They sprinkle in some meditation, some 'body work' and TADAAA. Here's a product. It doesn't matter what you are, there you are. Fill your hunger, your thirst, your emotions, your sexual organs, your mind, your sociality, your sense of family, your needs of occupying this body, your exercise, your finance, fill your sense of excitement, purpose, and adventure. That's what life calls for. Then, having fulfilled all of those satisfyingly (ahahaha), try to see what's missing. Of course there is something, there is always something, see if that something is a concept of idealism (consciousness is all) scribed by guys who lived and died centuries ago in ignorant societies much more different than yours. Let me tell you spirituality's function: It serves delaying seeking for a solution that may or may not exist, for your life's very practical and throbbing problems. Let me tell you what spiritual teachers do: They serve you a completely unworkable idea starting up, let you chew up on its irrelevant specifics (does the perceiver perceive himself... who funking cares?), and when you are done, they have to deal with your practical, actual, real-life questions. Then they use whatever actual-life experience they have amassed to deal with your problem, spouting their homemade concepts (unique to every individual teacher), which have no relation with other teachers' concepts. If that doesn't cut it, they then say that spirituality isn't about those practical problems (lol that's funny), and that they should seek outside assistance. If he's a somewhat realistic one, he will tell you that every human needs shelter and food to be basically satisfied, and each person should seek their own level of emotional and social comfort. Basically they divest the spiritual cure-all value as they run out of spiritual bearings, til spirituality is seen as nothing more than a luxury (if you go far enough in their concept-maze). Let me say that simpler if I can: They present us with a great, cure-all idea, and then as real problems come up that this idea can't solve, the idea is getting progressively discounted, until you remain with an empty concept. Life doesn't have A solution. A cure-all, A silver bullet, doesn't exist. Life is funking tough, cruel some of the times, and there is never one solution, there are only your temporary solutions. Nothing really works, not forever. Nothing will save you, because life isn't about saving yourself, not at all. You can't save yourself if you are living, there will always be more shit coming your way. You will get saved when you die, and that's it. Everything is avoidance that gets annihilated in the long run. Spirituality is another one of them. Show me a spiritual teacher, and I will show you someone who's having it easier than you, with more practical, life resources and solutions than you. Or someone who's faking it more, at least. I can absolutely understand the pressure you are undergoing with your life. And thanks for such a honest post. I agree with you to some extent, but trust me that's not the way universe works, I thoroughly can state the fact that we experience the trouble in our life only because of the self-delusion we have , our experience just reflect our inner conflict(I am not gaining this knowledge from any guru, rather I am gaining the knowledge from my clarity and experience) And you said you have problem with opposite sex interaction, I don't know what you meant in this place, If you don't mine, can you care to explain this? The problem comes with certain people is for sure and those people are stamped with certain characteristic! The kind of experience they are giving you is absolutely perfect with inner pattern, you can't expect to improve yourself rather you can bring some other people inside your life where you don't face the same problem once you faced. |
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Post by Figgles on Jun 12, 2017 21:25:24 GMT
Bear with my budding thought, and let me know what you think: I've had a lot of shit in life, just like most people. After nearly 7 years in spirituality, the shit is more than ever. Would I participate in this grand debate about the nature of reality if I was happy? Hell no. If I had an easier time with people, especially the opposite gender? Not even at gunpoint. If I felt had more open avenues in life? No. Spirituality started with an idealistic idea, that all we know is knowing, that all anybody knows is knowing, and that is the ultimate thing that is. It's a very clever idea, and God knows what purpose did it serve when it got out in rural India, and later, ancient Greece. I know what it serves now. Avoidance. Thousands of people autistically trying to find themselves by looking at their spiritual navel, thousands of hours lost for something so simple that doesn't even exist. At least cigarettes give you nicotine, this opium is literally hope-in-a-box, that somehow knowing what youself is, will make life better, easier, more palatable. The more you engage in this solipsism-inferred-into-monism, the more you invest in it. The pinnacle of this is spiritual teachers, with their livelihood dependent on the idea that somehow, their particular brand of pseudo-idealism-turned-monism is the case. They sprinkle in some meditation, some 'body work' and TADAAA. Here's a product. It doesn't matter what you are, there you are. Fill your hunger, your thirst, your emotions, your sexual organs, your mind, your sociality, your sense of family, your needs of occupying this body, your exercise, your finance, fill your sense of excitement, purpose, and adventure. That's what life calls for. Then, having fulfilled all of those satisfyingly (ahahaha), try to see what's missing. Of course there is something, there is always something, see if that something is a concept of idealism (consciousness is all) scribed by guys who lived and died centuries ago in ignorant societies much more different than yours. Let me tell you spirituality's function: It serves delaying seeking for a solution that may or may not exist, for your life's very practical and throbbing problems. Let me tell you what spiritual teachers do: They serve you a completely unworkable idea starting up, let you chew up on its irrelevant specifics (does the perceiver perceive himself... who funking cares?), and when you are done, they have to deal with your practical, actual, real-life questions. Then they use whatever actual-life experience they have amassed to deal with your problem, spouting their homemade concepts (unique to every individual teacher), which have no relation with other teachers' concepts. If that doesn't cut it, they then say that spirituality isn't about those practical problems (lol that's funny), and that they should seek outside assistance. If he's a somewhat realistic one, he will tell you that every human needs shelter and food to be basically satisfied, and each person should seek their own level of emotional and social comfort. Basically they divest the spiritual cure-all value as they run out of spiritual bearings, til spirituality is seen as nothing more than a luxury (if you go far enough in their concept-maze). Let me say that simpler if I can: They present us with a great, cure-all idea, and then as real problems come up that this idea can't solve, the idea is getting progressively discounted, until you remain with an empty concept. Life doesn't have A solution. A cure-all, A silver bullet, doesn't exist. Life is funking tough, cruel some of the times, and there is never one solution, there are only your temporary solutions. Nothing really works, not forever. Nothing will save you, because life isn't about saving yourself, not at all. You can't save yourself if you are living, there will always be more shit coming your way. You will get saved when you die, and that's it. Everything is avoidance that gets annihilated in the long run. Spirituality is another one of them. Show me a spiritual teacher, and I will show you someone who's having it easier than you, with more practical, life resources and solutions than you. Or someone who's faking it more, at least. Yup...shit happens and will continue to happen. ON that we DO agree.  Spirituality, as I see it, addresses how we look at, experience and respond to the inevitable shit. Experience changes dramatically if you can even lighten up a teeny bit in terms of how seriously you regard the content of experience. I see the propensity to seek to feel better when experiencing emotional or physical pain, as something that is built-in to all living being.....it is what it is, and working with that natural propensity rather than fighting against it, in my estimation is to follow the path of least resistance. No, life does not have a solution...and does not need one. To see that is to end any and all fights with life...and really, in terms of 'spiritual knowledge,' if that is all one ever saw, it would be more than enough. |
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Post by gabbynonstop on Jun 13, 2017 1:38:35 GMT
Bear with my budding thought, and let me know what you think: I've had a lot of shit in life, just like most people. After nearly 7 years in spirituality, the shit is more than ever. Would I participate in this grand debate about the nature of reality if I was happy? Hell no. If I had an easier time with people, especially the opposite gender? Not even at gunpoint. If I felt had more open avenues in life? No. Spirituality started with an idealistic idea, that all we know is knowing, that all anybody knows is knowing, and that is the ultimate thing that is. It's a very clever idea, and God knows what purpose did it serve when it got out in rural India, and later, ancient Greece. I know what it serves now. Avoidance. Thousands of people autistically trying to find themselves by looking at their spiritual navel, thousands of hours lost for something so simple that doesn't even exist. At least cigarettes give you nicotine, this opium is literally hope-in-a-box, that somehow knowing what youself is, will make life better, easier, more palatable. The more you engage in this solipsism-inferred-into-monism, the more you invest in it. The pinnacle of this is spiritual teachers, with their livelihood dependent on the idea that somehow, their particular brand of pseudo-idealism-turned-monism is the case. They sprinkle in some meditation, some 'body work' and TADAAA. Here's a product. It doesn't matter what you are, there you are. Fill your hunger, your thirst, your emotions, your sexual organs, your mind, your sociality, your sense of family, your needs of occupying this body, your exercise, your finance, fill your sense of excitement, purpose, and adventure. That's what life calls for. Then, having fulfilled all of those satisfyingly (ahahaha), try to see what's missing. Of course there is something, there is always something, see if that something is a concept of idealism (consciousness is all) scribed by guys who lived and died centuries ago in ignorant societies much more different than yours. Let me tell you spirituality's function: It serves delaying seeking for a solution that may or may not exist, for your life's very practical and throbbing problems. Let me tell you what spiritual teachers do: They serve you a completely unworkable idea starting up, let you chew up on its irrelevant specifics (does the perceiver perceive himself... who funking cares?), and when you are done, they have to deal with your practical, actual, real-life questions. Then they use whatever actual-life experience they have amassed to deal with your problem, spouting their homemade concepts (unique to every individual teacher), which have no relation with other teachers' concepts. If that doesn't cut it, they then say that spirituality isn't about those practical problems (lol that's funny), and that they should seek outside assistance. If he's a somewhat realistic one, he will tell you that every human needs shelter and food to be basically satisfied, and each person should seek their own level of emotional and social comfort. Basically they divest the spiritual cure-all value as they run out of spiritual bearings, til spirituality is seen as nothing more than a luxury (if you go far enough in their concept-maze). Let me say that simpler if I can: They present us with a great, cure-all idea, and then as real problems come up that this idea can't solve, the idea is getting progressively discounted, until you remain with an empty concept. Life doesn't have A solution. A cure-all, A silver bullet, doesn't exist. Life is funking tough, cruel some of the times, and there is never one solution, there are only your temporary solutions. Nothing really works, not forever. Nothing will save you, because life isn't about saving yourself, not at all. You can't save yourself if you are living, there will always be more shit coming your way. You will get saved when you die, and that's it. Everything is avoidance that gets annihilated in the long run. Spirituality is another one of them. Show me a spiritual teacher, and I will show you someone who's having it easier than you, with more practical, life resources and solutions than you. Or someone who's faking it more, at least. This above be my most enjoyably-read posting since I arrived; tail quivering. TY for exercising honesty. As I love to respond to ppl who have a heart I will add to your wisdoms-pit, "Life doesn't have A solution," with
"Life is the Solution."When the realization that life is truly alive before the rendering of Mind (what I call the prior state of consciousness) they're home in the Heart so to speak. Fake gurus are an important part of this awakening. Cheers. |
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