Esponja
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Post by Esponja on May 30, 2021 14:39:25 GMT
I’ve observed myself getting carried away recently with ‘conspiracy’ info and almost worrying about the future. As in, needing to plan for it, however, I pulled back and realized that this is the ‘mind’. Mind only in survival wants to know. Ultimately, I don’t even know that I’ll wake up tomorrow. Amazing how the story drags you back in.
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Post by muttley on May 30, 2021 16:45:49 GMT
I’ve observed myself getting carried away recently with ‘conspiracy’ info and almost worrying about the future. As in, needing to plan for it, however, I pulled back and realized that this is the ‘mind’. Mind only in survival wants to know. Ultimately, I don’t even know that I’ll wake up tomorrow. Amazing how the story drags you back in. Well, nothing wrong with planning your day or your budget etc. .. my guess is that wasn't what you were referring to. Even people-peeps have an inkling of how it's futile to worry about what they have no control over -- for example, there's the self-help notion of "Circle-of-influence vs. Circle-of-concern".  .. the conspiracy stuff can be fascinating just because of how goddamned weird it all is.  |
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Post by Esponja on May 31, 2021 0:23:45 GMT
I’ve observed myself getting carried away recently with ‘conspiracy’ info and almost worrying about the future. As in, needing to plan for it, however, I pulled back and realized that this is the ‘mind’. Mind only in survival wants to know. Ultimately, I don’t even know that I’ll wake up tomorrow. Amazing how the story drags you back in. Well, nothing wrong with planning your day or your budget etc. .. my guess is that wasn't what you were referring to. Even people-peeps have an inkling of how it's futile to worry about what they have no control over -- for example, there's the self-help notion of "Circle-of-influence vs. Circle-of-concern". .. the conspiracy stuff can be fascinating just because of how goddamned weird it all is. I realised as I was typing it how I couldn’t put it quite into words. My concerns were over the mentioned cyber attack and thinking I’d better stock up but then realising that even with this pandemic, I hadn’t worried about supplies and toilet rolls and had been totally fine and looked after. I keep witnessing confirmation bias. Ultimately any thoughts and beliefs around the future are just projections. |
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Post by muttley on May 31, 2021 7:58:51 GMT
Well, nothing wrong with planning your day or your budget etc. .. my guess is that wasn't what you were referring to. Even people-peeps have an inkling of how it's futile to worry about what they have no control over -- for example, there's the self-help notion of "Circle-of-influence vs. Circle-of-concern". .. the conspiracy stuff can be fascinating just because of how goddamned weird it all is. I realised as I was typing it how I couldn’t put it quite into words. My concerns were over the mentioned cyber attack and thinking I’d better stock up but then realising that even with this pandemic, I hadn’t worried about supplies and toilet rolls and had been totally fine and looked after. I keep witnessing confirmation bias. Ultimately any thoughts and beliefs around the future are just projections. Yes, future and past are always nothing more than mind-shadows. But, on the other hand there's the story of the devout Christian praying for salvation in the middle of the ocean who waves off a rescuer because he's waiting for God.
IOW: don't fight the natural urge to prepare if that's what you feel arising. Trust those instincts. We started stocking up in late Jan early Feb '20 because of the news coming out of China. I still remember, clear as a bell (and wrote about it here) standing in the toilet paper aisle and grabbing a $25 mega-pack. Had never done that before, did it twice. Couldn't do it a third time, but didn't need to. It's a funny little trivial tale, but it illustrates: the question of whether it was "me" that was preparing for the future I was imagining is the existential question.
"We" (myself and my wife, Sue) were spared the shortage .. was it luck? planning? ... ha! ha! |
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Post by Andrew on May 31, 2021 13:11:06 GMT
Well, nothing wrong with planning your day or your budget etc. .. my guess is that wasn't what you were referring to. Even people-peeps have an inkling of how it's futile to worry about what they have no control over -- for example, there's the self-help notion of "Circle-of-influence vs. Circle-of-concern". .. the conspiracy stuff can be fascinating just because of how goddamned weird it all is. I realised as I was typing it how I couldn’t put it quite into words. My concerns were over the mentioned cyber attack and thinking I’d better stock up but then realising that even with this pandemic, I hadn’t worried about supplies and toilet rolls and had been totally fine and looked after. I keep witnessing confirmation bias. Ultimately any thoughts and beliefs around the future are just projections. Over the years there have been many suggestions in conspiracy groups to 'stock up' and be self-sufficient. I've considered it at times, but it has always gone against my instinct. I like shopping day to day as much as I can, in fact I particularly enjoy going to a shop at the end of a day and getting the discounted food....I mean, I like the cheaper prices, but what I really like is the not-knowing what I'm going to get. I like being given stuff that I wouldn't tend to buy off the shelf, I like the sense that something 'bigger' than me is organizing my food. And in the last 10-12 years, we've moved around so much that it also hasn't made rational sense to stock up. At the beginning of the 'pandemic' last year, I did actually stock up for the first time...probably spent a few hundred pounds on filling the cupboards. I felt good about it at the time, and I think it did make life easier over the coming months, though I perhaps made the 'mistake' of buying cupboard foods that I rarely want to eat....like tinned soup. So when we moved out of the house last week, I had a load of tins to give to the local homeless shelter thing, I don't like throwing food away. Like you, I've seen the warnings about fake cyber attack and other things. I don't know, I can't read the situation. I doubt it, but maybe. A plandemic (followed by vaccines) has been warned of for as long as I have been following conspiracy stuff....I remember the Swine Flu of 2009 being talked of in conspiracy circles.....I didn't think it would ever come to pass, so I got that wrong. I guess I will make a decision in a couple of weeks about whether to stock up again. I'll see. It's a rural location, quite remote, so it might make life a bit easier. Less tinned soup this time though. I would just go with your instinct on these things, there's no right or wrong. |
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Post by Figgles on Jun 1, 2021 2:32:32 GMT
I’ve observed myself getting carried away recently with ‘conspiracy’ info and almost worrying about the future. As in, needing to plan for it, however, I pulled back and realized that this is the ‘mind’. Mind only in survival wants to know. Ultimately, I don’t even know that I’ll wake up tomorrow. Amazing how the story drags you back in. Yup. It's just the nature of the story. Compelling as hell, even when awake to it 'as a story.'  Those are key words; "getting carried away" and "needing" to plan. Considering how recent your awakening is, I'm continually impressed with how clearly and quickly you see those 'fine lines' between merely an interest in the story, a natural moving forward with a plan, vs. the loss of conscious awareness that means lying fully in the clutches of mind, with all it's incessant worries.....needs.....plans to protect itself. While the line between basic engagement with the dream vs. falling back in, may indeed seem to be, and is oft experienced as 'fine,' we're literally talking a shift from one place of seeing to another. |
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Post by Figgles on Jun 1, 2021 2:37:35 GMT
Well, nothing wrong with planning your day or your budget etc. .. my guess is that wasn't what you were referring to. Even people-peeps have an inkling of how it's futile to worry about what they have no control over -- for example, there's the self-help notion of "Circle-of-influence vs. Circle-of-concern". .. the conspiracy stuff can be fascinating just because of how goddamned weird it all is. I realised as I was typing it how I couldn’t put it quite into words. My concerns were over the mentioned cyber attack and thinking I’d better stock up but then realising that even with this pandemic, I hadn’t worried about supplies and toilet rolls and had been totally fine and looked after. I keep witnessing confirmation bias. Ultimately any thoughts and beliefs around the future are just projections. "I remember someone asking one of my favorite Indian sage--Nisargadatta Maharaj--whether the egoic personality ever arose in him. He said, very casually, "Of course it does, but I see at once that it is illusion and I discard it." This was a wonderful to hear--that even someone of the spiritual stature of Nisargadatta was saying that there is always a possibility that an old conditioned tendency can arise. He simply recognized it as illusory at the moment of its arising, and in that seeing, he cast it aside. It dissolved." --Adyashanti |
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Post by Esponja on Jun 1, 2021 7:20:22 GMT
I realised as I was typing it how I couldn’t put it quite into words. My concerns were over the mentioned cyber attack and thinking I’d better stock up but then realising that even with this pandemic, I hadn’t worried about supplies and toilet rolls and had been totally fine and looked after. I keep witnessing confirmation bias. Ultimately any thoughts and beliefs around the future are just projections. Yes, future and past are always nothing more than mind-shadows. But, on the other hand there's the story of the devout Christian praying for salvation in the middle of the ocean who waves off a rescuer because he's waiting for God.
IOW: don't fight the natural urge to prepare if that's what you feel arising. Trust those instincts. We started stocking up in late Jan early Feb '20 because of the news coming out of China. I still remember, clear as a bell (and wrote about it here) standing in the toilet paper aisle and grabbing a $25 mega-pack. Had never done that before, did it twice. Couldn't do it a third time, but didn't need to. It's a funny little trivial tale, but it illustrates: the question of whether it was "me" that was preparing for the future I was imagining is the existential question.
"We" (myself and my wife, Sue) were spared the shortage .. was it luck? planning? ... ha! ha! Yes, was thinking, I never felt it when lockdown initially happened but have this time so what’s the harm in picking extras up when I’m at the supermarket. |
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Post by Esponja on Jun 1, 2021 7:23:02 GMT
I realised as I was typing it how I couldn’t put it quite into words. My concerns were over the mentioned cyber attack and thinking I’d better stock up but then realising that even with this pandemic, I hadn’t worried about supplies and toilet rolls and had been totally fine and looked after. I keep witnessing confirmation bias. Ultimately any thoughts and beliefs around the future are just projections. Over the years there have been many suggestions in conspiracy groups to 'stock up' and be self-sufficient. I've considered it at times, but it has always gone against my instinct. I like shopping day to day as much as I can, in fact I particularly enjoy going to a shop at the end of a day and getting the discounted food....I mean, I like the cheaper prices, but what I really like is the not-knowing what I'm going to get. I like being given stuff that I wouldn't tend to buy off the shelf, I like the sense that something 'bigger' than me is organizing my food. And in the last 10-12 years, we've moved around so much that it also hasn't made rational sense to stock up. At the beginning of the 'pandemic' last year, I did actually stock up for the first time...probably spent a few hundred pounds on filling the cupboards. I felt good about it at the time, and I think it did make life easier over the coming months, though I perhaps made the 'mistake' of buying cupboard foods that I rarely want to eat....like tinned soup. So when we moved out of the house last week, I had a load of tins to give to the local homeless shelter thing, I don't like throwing food away. Like you, I've seen the warnings about fake cyber attack and other things. I don't know, I can't read the situation. I doubt it, but maybe. A plandemic (followed by vaccines) has been warned of for as long as I have been following conspiracy stuff....I remember the Swine Flu of 2009 being talked of in conspiracy circles.....I didn't think it would ever come to pass, so I got that wrong. I guess I will make a decision in a couple of weeks about whether to stock up again. I'll see. It's a rural location, quite remote, so it might make life a bit easier. Less tinned soup this time though. I would just go with your instinct on these things, there's no right or wrong. Agree and ultimately if it went on for ages, we still might not have enough. If we have to vaccinate for food supplies what the hell can we do about it other than watch it unfold knowing our true nature. I miss the UK for the discounts. They just don’t do it here and food is so expensive where I am. My mum is great at buying a cheap christmas turkey- whilst everyone else is celebrating she’ll be at waitrose waiting on xmas eve! 😂 Stuff like that used to bother me, now I find it cute and funny. |
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Post by Esponja on Jun 1, 2021 7:26:56 GMT
I’ve observed myself getting carried away recently with ‘conspiracy’ info and almost worrying about the future. As in, needing to plan for it, however, I pulled back and realized that this is the ‘mind’. Mind only in survival wants to know. Ultimately, I don’t even know that I’ll wake up tomorrow. Amazing how the story drags you back in. Yup. It's just the nature of the story. Compelling as hell, even when awake to it 'as a story.' Those are key words; "getting carried away" and "needing" to plan. Considering how recent your awakening is, I'm continually impressed with how clearly and quickly you see those 'fine lines' between merely an interest in the story, a natural moving forward with a plan, vs. the loss of conscious awareness that means lying fully in the clutches of mind, with all it's incessant worries.....needs.....plans to protect itself. While the line between basic engagement with the dream vs. falling back in, may indeed seem to be, and is oft experienced as 'fine,' we're literally talking a shift from one place of seeing to another. Then my mind comes in and says ‘you haven’t woken up’’ 😂 |
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.. the conspiracy stuff can be fascinating just because of how goddamned weird it all is. 
