Esponja
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Post by Esponja on Apr 18, 2021 22:26:50 GMT
Yesterday, on Sailor Bob’s Satsang, someone used a pointer of a dead corpse, if ever it was clear that we are not the body, that’s a good one.
My favourite pointer is, where were you before you were born?
What are yours??
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Post by Esponja on Apr 19, 2021 4:50:19 GMT
"Liberation is not something that happens... it already is. But for the seeker it is believed it isn't. When there is no seeker it is seen by no-one that there is only liberation, there is only being. So at the depth of this, when the body-mind ceases to function as the dreamer, all there is is being."
(Tony Parsons, "nothing being everything")
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Post by Esponja on Apr 19, 2021 5:05:25 GMT
Q: It seems that all that arises from presence-awareness is no different than presence-awareness. Fear, ideas, beliefs, the world and everything else arise as presence-awareness . Presence-awareness is one substance.
John Wheeler: Yes! You have hit the nail on the head. But when you see this, the fears, doubts, and questions based on the belief in separation have no more foundation and subside. If there is no cause can the effects remain? Either way, it does not matter. All questions are resolved and you are home.
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Post by Esponja on Apr 19, 2021 5:12:56 GMT
Love this one.
Q: Intellectually, I understand when you say that I am the ever-present awareness that is unchanging and within which everything (including the idea of 'me') is arising.
John Wheeler: Drop the idea of intellectual understanding. This leaves it too fuzzy and lets the mind run riot. Is awareness intellectual or a present fact? Establish that now, and be done with the doubts. Then see if awareness is something apart from you or if, rather, you are that which is present and aware. Establish that now and be done with the waffling. Waffles are good breakfast items, but are not a foundation for metaphysical certainty!
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Post by Figgles on Apr 21, 2021 19:35:23 GMT
Love this one. Q: Intellectually, I understand when you say that I am the ever-present awareness that is unchanging and within which everything (including the idea of 'me') is arising. John Wheeler: Drop the idea of intellectual understanding. This leaves it too fuzzy and lets the mind run riot. Is awareness intellectual or a present fact? Establish that now, and be done with the doubts. Then see if awareness is something apart from you or if, rather, you are that which is present and aware. Establish that now and be done with the waffling. Waffles are good breakfast items, but are not a foundation for metaphysical certainty! Yes! A key word there in the bolded that often gets forgotten in talk about Truth. What is/can be known for certain, HERE AND NOW, (not what do I think I know for certain about an imagined future moment about an imagined something that is at present, only an arising/appearing idea). Truth is not a theory or story we concoct or arrive at 'about' life. If it "True" it is clearly evident here and now, "imminently..presently"....otherwise, it's just an idea about Truth. An appearance is known to be appearing imminently, just as Being is known as foundational to that, imminently. That question; What do I know for certain is an invitation to become intensely focused upon the imminent present and to exclude all ideation about life, future, how/why explanation, etc to simply look at 'what is' NOW.....to simply see what IS known beyond refute. |
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Post by Esponja on Apr 26, 2021 4:06:49 GMT
Am reading a great book by Nathan Gill- already awake.
Q
“So there is this body/mind, and a thought arises, for instance, ‘I’m hungry’- and the brain reacts to the thought?’
Nathan
No, it’s simpler than that. There’s no cause and effect. There is a play of images being presently registered. A body is appearing, simultaneously with a sensation of hunger, and also simultaneously with a thought ‘I’m hungry’.
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Post by Figgles on Apr 27, 2021 15:49:23 GMT
Am reading a great book by Nathan Gill- already awake. Q “So there is this body/mind, and a thought arises, for instance, ‘I’m hungry’- and the brain reacts to the thought?’ Nathan
No, it’s simpler than that. There’s no cause and effect. There is a play of images being presently registered. A body is appearing, simultaneously with a sensation of hunger, and also simultaneously with a thought ‘I’m hungry’. Nice! |
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Post by Figgles on Apr 27, 2021 16:06:57 GMT
Am reading a great book by Nathan Gill- already awake. Q “So there is this body/mind, and a thought arises, for instance, ‘I’m hungry’- and the brain reacts to the thought?’ Nathan No, it’s simpler than that. There’s no cause and effect. There is a play of images being presently registered. A body is appearing, simultaneously with a sensation of hunger, and also simultaneously with a thought ‘I’m hungry’. I like him...very clear. Yes, Yes, yes!!  |
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