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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 11:46:44 GMT
Anyone up for a nice tall glass of hydroxychloroquine?  It's people, man. Avoid people.  |
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Post by muttley on Nov 11, 2020 11:51:12 GMT
What I'm saying is that your opinions seem to me to be largely crafted by fear. Then what seems to you is not based on reality Well, perhaps not you personally, but how about Madow, Lemon, Whoopi + thousands of tweeters? All fearless, righteous and justified in their vitriol? |
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Post by muttley on Nov 11, 2020 11:52:43 GMT
Anyone up for a nice tall glass of hydroxychloroquine? Not gonna' litigate it in detail here, 'cause I doubt you'll really listen. But, we have a difference of opinion as to who is trying to deceive whom in this instance, and, probably, many others.  |
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Post by muttley on Nov 11, 2020 12:02:27 GMT
Not gonna' litigate it in detail here, 'cause I doubt you'll really listen. But, we have a difference of opinion as to who is trying to deceive whom in this instance, and, probably, many others. Any step that makes you feel small and insignificant isn't going to work for you. The past is long gone.... New day on the horizon brother. Enjoy.  Sure, sure, thanks, back at ya' guy. |
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Post by muttley on Nov 11, 2020 12:03:02 GMT
It's people, man. Avoid people. Your true self is never under threat.  his point!  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 12:19:36 GMT
It's people, man. Avoid people. Your true self is never under threat. *stares blankly* wears a mask.. |
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Post by someNothing on Nov 11, 2020 12:34:16 GMT
Agree to some extent. If he were a child, I'd have more to offer in agreement. But, he is a man-child and, as such, he is a symptom of his upbringing and the culture that has enabled such forms of wielding power, but also to be held responsible. I have no problem rejecting him outright until he exhibited a modicum of adulthood. I have no need for people in positions of leadership who live in/from utter fear. When it comes to politics, fear is the only game in town, until the rules of the game are somehow radically altered. As you alluded, it's not a one-sided affair, and the magician always wants you to look in a direction other than where the action is. Sure, most of life is fear-based, and politics falls within that category. I tend to look at fear, as I do at any other duality, as being on a continuum. In this case, it might be love-fear, truth-fear, etc. It's easy to imagine any number of them in a decision-making process.
I've never been affiliated with any party, and can imagine myself much like Andrew in that regard, social libertarian or compassionate anarchist if I had to put a label on it. I don't really wheel and deal much with worldly power type of things and tend to bring such decisions back down to observational phenomena and potential alignment ("as above, so below"). If and when I do get involved in a convo on it, I tend to equally piss of people from the "left" and "right", which is typically more revealing about the voters and the candidates' intentions in their pitches.
All that said, four years of watching DT and seeing the unfolding outcomes of this election have been very revealing, to say the least.
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Post by Andrew on Nov 11, 2020 12:40:47 GMT
yeah can well believe she has flaws, but I didn't see that tweet...? Can you say more about the disagreement in methodology? I really don't like putting a label or a box around my politics, as I think all ideologies/models are doomed to failure, but 'social libertarianism' is an actual movement that quite closely resembles my ideas. I believe Noam Chomsky was an advocate. I'm sketchy on the details. 'Compassionate anarchism' is another model that I can relate to. I'm in danger of falling down an "LOA powerlessness" well here 'cause I honestly don't see any systemic solution to the underlying social ailments that can be expressed in any sort of abstract system.
We can look back in history and discern some actions certain groups took that led to periods of relative peace and prosperity, but it's all incredibly nuanced, fluid, and situational. Today's blessing becomes tomorrow's curse, and vice-versa. Convincing people otherwise is the common way to power.
yeah, agree with both points. The 2 movements I can relate to are systemic solutions, and as such, would fail in their attempt at some point....but they semi-advocate being close to the point where models fail! In a sense, I see them as political versions of the much debated 'spiritual bridge'. So LOA is pretty much all I've got when it comes to the material stuff. Abe-Hicks has been at the forefront of my attention this year, more than they have in the last 13 years. Only when I first discovered them, did I give them as much attention as I'm giving now. But even then the movement comes in waves....I go through phases lately of surrendering all mind movements, all interests, all desires, and sitting quietly for longish periods... just because it's really the only thing to be done. |
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Post by someNothing on Nov 11, 2020 12:42:02 GMT
Attaching one's self to someone who 'appears' to be strong and accomplished could possibly be a great experience, but it doesn't add to your self worth. Most of the time you will only be trying to fill a hole in yourself. There's a simple solution- take away that strong person, and the hole will be just as empty as before. Jak sie masz Hopefully, said appearance doesn't shy away from such a wonderful opportunity to realize emptiness.
Granted, it takes courage, a wee bit of perceived monomania, and a touch of palpable insanity to jump into the hole. 🥚
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Post by Andrew on Nov 11, 2020 12:50:32 GMT
Imagine the blowback after the inauguration...  Fuck Joes call for unity. I hope the payback is brutal. The call for unity seems absurd, just as here....the call for unity over Brexit was absurd. Here in the UK, there has actually been an interesting unity this year between most on the right, and some on the left....in their protests against what they see as totalitarian measures. But now there is a new divide between those protesting those measures, and those that want the measures. Nevertheless, I see the change in the nature of the divide as a slightly positive thing. |
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