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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2020 11:14:46 GMT
Maybe the underlying argument is that only 3/5's of the urban vote should be counted  |
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Post by someNothing on Nov 10, 2020 12:08:24 GMT
Interesting. I would not have assumed that you would find a soft spot for the likes of DT, but yeah, I get your take on the potential for a silver lining.
As for the need for more honesty and integrity, I absolutely agree. Now, imagining DT being an agent for that kind of change requires a major degree of creativity.
My feelings have been mixed since before the first election, so probably fair to say it's a comparative soft spot. In many ways he really is the antithesis of what I support, but in his favour, I don't see him as a Davos/Bilderberg character i.e he's far more interested in America, than he is the world. My impression of the Davos/Bilderberg types is that, in their arrogance, ego and desire for control, they get together and basically decide how the world is going to unfold. They probably think they are doing a good thing, but that's by the by. I don't trust their plans and instincts. I like the fact that DT wants to focus on his 'own house'. I like that he has withdrawn from the WHO. And in line with that, on the international affairs front, he's really been pretty good. A couple of weeks ago, when he got sick, I experienced something odd. I heard the news that he got sick and not long after, I felt an intense heaviness in my body, and with that heaviness there came a very powerful sense that it would be awful if he was to die at that point. The feeling took me by surprise. Something within me was really pleased about his recovery (and a very fast recovery at that). Since then, my feelings have been more congruently in support of who he is and what he's doing. I still can't watch him telly and don't anticipate that will change, but if there has been cheating, I would like to see justice done. Equally, I am finding it's best to take a fairly non-judgemental and witnessing position at the moment. I'm not on social media arguing, nor trying to change friends' minds about stuff. My last messages here are the most I've said on the subject to anyone (except Jenn). My feelings have not been mixed. I watched for 23 years, unbeknownst to me until the last five years, how a narcissist eats away at the very fabric of any potential for 'betterment'. My brother was married to one, and they had two children (two whole other stories). They are still grappling with very insecure world views due to the fabric from which they're bound to derive their sense of self from. Now, how that will translate in their future, sure, I don't know. Maybe something great becomes of it all. Life's big.
While I agree about the justice needing to be done, and the needs to minimize inflicting/controlling on an international scale, most if not every action he has made has been to serve one thing only. I don't do social media either, and I wouldn't say I judge, per se. In my opinion, there is no 'who' about it. It's completely unconscious and, as such, is mostly very low level human capacities giving voice and legitimacy to other dream characters of the same ilk. I believe Trump, for the most part, empowers hate, fear, and baseline wants and desires. For many, that's exactly what they want to hear.
To be clear, I think that to be involved in politics requires a certain kind of character, so maybe that's just how it goes. And yes, power corrupts. If you go to Capitol Hill to work, you better take on some animalistic traits in order to survive. But, equally, there are those who are able to balance those necessities out with a bit of higher-minded potentials. DT is nowhere near capable of any of that; it's all ego, all the time. I wish for him what I do for anyone.... to wake up. For DT, it is to wake from the relative nightmare that is being projected into the world.
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Post by someNothing on Nov 10, 2020 12:14:48 GMT
Flying monkeys screeching lawyerese for the serially delusional.... oh dear.  And on and on it goes.... oh well, better get some popcorn. 🍿
Peeps ugly relationship with the truth has been on full display.. and it's been quite disheartening to observe  Most haven't even begun to try to 'relate' with truth. It's more like unconscious ~ active denial. But yes, an interesting movie that could use the plot line of an upheaval followed by a twist of renewal. Let's see what happens. |
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Post by someNothing on Nov 10, 2020 12:21:29 GMT
Maybe the underlying argument is that only 3/5's of the urban vote should be counted Their fear is they do not think they can learn, relate to, and/or keep up with the changing demographics. They must use all means necessary to control what they cannot relate to.
Plus, closer to their base desires and identity, politicians do not want to lose their jobs. The facade must be maintained until other means are created/perceived.
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Post by muttley on Nov 10, 2020 12:35:50 GMT
Yeah, I can't imagine all these details are all that interesting to ya'. The biggest picture splash is likely to be a US Supreme Court case in PA about whether votes received there after 8pm on election night should be counted. There's also definitely recounts in GA and WI, and those are automatically triggered by law because of the narrow margins. The media position on all of this quizically contrasts with 2000, where everyone was waiting for weeks in uncertainty and there were two different transition teams getting national security briefings etc.. that was a different situation in many ways, but still, these are very surreal times. If Trump does manage to roll it back somehow with the courts and the recounts, it's gonna get even surrealier ... like, it's time to actually believing in conspiracy theories surreal!  When I look internally, what I find is that I won't actually be sad/sorry to see the back of Donald...I can find a slight weariness of seeing his face on the UK news, hearing him talk, listening to all the moaning and gossiping about him etc.... I guess I could do with a fresh ego in my life.   On the other hand, I think he could well have been cheated. I think there's something good about what he's been trying to do, I like his lack of respect for questionably 'benevolent' globalist movements, and I hope he has the fortitude, spirit and support to show the world some truths about how the system works i.e if he goes down, he kinda takes Biden's Dems down with him. He's a fascinatingly flawed (deeply flawed) and driven character who, to my ear, finally told some hard truths that everyone was ignoring about the corruption of our elites. As I've said before, he's a divisive figure, who is a symptom, not a cause. Half my heart is with the people protesting him - the cultural continuity of the 60's hippies (to some extent) - and the other half and my soul, isn't. What I tell anyone who'll listen these days is: if you don't gain control of your own emotions, someone else, most surely will. I'm not sure the world needs DT, as much as it needs a good dose of honesty and integrity. Anymore vids that you care to share over the next few weeks, I'll very likely watch, thanks. . That vid was thrown up to the top of a bunnyhole I was tip-toeing around by someone who'd done the dive. In the past, my interest in this stuff has always been very superficial, as life always goes on, one way or another. So I won't go hunting for vids like that. That one was just so absolutely whacky - the point of slapstick even - it made a great OP. Even two years ago I would have just dismissed it as nuts .. but now .. .. |
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Post by muttley on Nov 10, 2020 12:47:53 GMT
kant .. stop ... laughting .... please ..... send ...... lawyers! Flying monkeys screeching lawyerese for the serially delusional.... oh dear. And on and on it goes.... oh well, better get some popcorn. 🍿
"I'm here to earn my wings, so ring up the next round Nick!" Hey, I understand why you don't like this Trump character, I really do.  This scene in the movie is some high drama. "American political instability" is a rather ominous phrase. The stage direction for this particular character always included a heavy dose of cynicism, even to the point of contempt for anyone in power. And that means anyone. In any sort of power. Anywhere. So, the script has me cheering the populist rhetoric. But, hey, I get it, the guy is what he is. No doubt. I sincerely understand. That said, what's going on now is happening very fast. It will only be a matter of months, if not weeks, before Trump, the persona is completely irrelevant, but the underlying conflict will remain unresolved. I think the best any one individual can ever do is to remain as acutely aware of their tendency toward confirmation bias as they possibly can. |
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Post by Andrew on Nov 10, 2020 12:48:41 GMT
My feelings have been mixed since before the first election, so probably fair to say it's a comparative soft spot. In many ways he really is the antithesis of what I support, but in his favour, I don't see him as a Davos/Bilderberg character i.e he's far more interested in America, than he is the world. My impression of the Davos/Bilderberg types is that, in their arrogance, ego and desire for control, they get together and basically decide how the world is going to unfold. They probably think they are doing a good thing, but that's by the by. I don't trust their plans and instincts. I like the fact that DT wants to focus on his 'own house'. I like that he has withdrawn from the WHO. And in line with that, on the international affairs front, he's really been pretty good. A couple of weeks ago, when he got sick, I experienced something odd. I heard the news that he got sick and not long after, I felt an intense heaviness in my body, and with that heaviness there came a very powerful sense that it would be awful if he was to die at that point. The feeling took me by surprise. Something within me was really pleased about his recovery (and a very fast recovery at that). Since then, my feelings have been more congruently in support of who he is and what he's doing. I still can't watch him telly and don't anticipate that will change, but if there has been cheating, I would like to see justice done. Equally, I am finding it's best to take a fairly non-judgemental and witnessing position at the moment. I'm not on social media arguing, nor trying to change friends' minds about stuff. My last messages here are the most I've said on the subject to anyone (except Jenn). My feelings have not been mixed. I watched for 23 years, unbeknownst to me until the last five years, how a narcissist eats away at the very fabric of any potential for 'betterment'. My brother was married to one, and they had two children (two whole other stories). They are still grappling with very insecure world views due to the fabric from which they're bound to derive their sense of self from. Now, how that will translate in their future, sure, I don't know. Maybe something great becomes of it all. Life's big.
While I agree about the justice needing to be done, and the needs to minimize inflicting/controlling on an international scale, most if not every action he has made has been to serve one thing only. I don't do social media either, and I wouldn't say I judge, per se. In my opinion, there is no 'who' about it. It's completely unconscious and, as such, is mostly very low level human capacities giving voice and legitimacy to other dream characters of the same ilk. I believe Trump, for the most part, empowers hate, fear, and baseline wants and desires. For many, that's exactly what they want to hear.
To be clear, I think that to be involved in politics requires a certain kind of character, so maybe that's just how it goes. And yes, power corrupts. If you go to Capitol Hill to work, you better take on some animalistic traits in order to survive. But, equally, there are those who are able to balance those necessities out with a bit of higher-minded potentials. DT is nowhere near capable of any of that; it's all ego, all the time. I wish for him what I do for anyone.... to wake up. For DT, it is to wake from the relative nightmare that is being projected into the world.
yep I totally see your point here, and I found it well articulated. This is one of those slightly odd situations in which even though I totally see your point, it doesn't affect my sense of things. Sometimes things can be hashed out and a change of view can happen as a result of that....a new perspective arises....but Trump discussions often seem to defy that! On another hand, I have been a fan of AOC for a long time, and have always liked Sanders (though at this point I find that he bows to the interest of the DNC far more than I'm comfortable with). My politics is not cohesive and I don't fit into an easy box. My positive sense of Trump requires me to almost totally tune out everything he says lol. When I tune into Trump's energy (beyond all his noise), I get a sense of 'something' I can relate to. When I tune into Biden, I don't get a negative sense, I just get a 'nothingness'...a 'blankness', like there's nothing really there...like he's nothing much more than a 'puppet' or 'figurehead' for others.. Again, that's all just intuitive, I really don't expect it to be respected as such, and in one way I'm really just talking for the sake of talking (I can't really talk to friends in the way that I spoke there...it's too 'spiritual' sounding). |
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Post by muttley on Nov 10, 2020 12:56:38 GMT
My feelings have been mixed since before the first election, so probably fair to say it's a comparative soft spot. In many ways he really is the antithesis of what I support, but in his favour, I don't see him as a Davos/Bilderberg character i.e he's far more interested in America, than he is the world. My impression of the Davos/Bilderberg types is that, in their arrogance, ego and desire for control, they get together and basically decide how the world is going to unfold. They probably think they are doing a good thing, but that's by the by. I don't trust their plans and instincts. I like the fact that DT wants to focus on his 'own house'. I like that he has withdrawn from the WHO. And in line with that, on the international affairs front, he's really been pretty good. A couple of weeks ago, when he got sick, I experienced something odd. I heard the news that he got sick and not long after, I felt an intense heaviness in my body, and with that heaviness there came a very powerful sense that it would be awful if he was to die at that point. The feeling took me by surprise. Something within me was really pleased about his recovery (and a very fast recovery at that). Since then, my feelings have been more congruently in support of who he is and what he's doing. I still can't watch him telly and don't anticipate that will change, but if there has been cheating, I would like to see justice done. Equally, I am finding it's best to take a fairly non-judgemental and witnessing position at the moment. I'm not on social media arguing, nor trying to change friends' minds about stuff. My last messages here are the most I've said on the subject to anyone (except Jenn). My feelings have not been mixed. I watched for 23 years, unbeknownst to me until the last five years, how a narcissist eats away at the very fabric of any potential for 'betterment'. My brother was married to one, and they had two children (two whole other stories). They are still grappling with very insecure world views due to the fabric from which they're bound to derive their sense of self from. Now, how that will translate in their future, sure, I don't know. Maybe something great becomes of it all. Life's big.
While I agree about the justice needing to be done, and the needs to minimize inflicting/controlling on an international scale, most if not every action he has made has been to serve one thing only. I don't do social media either, and I wouldn't say I judge, per se. In my opinion, there is no 'who' about it. It's completely unconscious and, as such, is mostly very low level human capacities giving voice and legitimacy to other dream characters of the same ilk. I believe Trump, for the most part, empowers hate, fear, and baseline wants and desires. For many, that's exactly what they want to hear.
To be clear, I think that to be involved in politics requires a certain kind of character, so maybe that's just how it goes. And yes, power corrupts. If you go to Capitol Hill to work, you better take on some animalistic traits in order to survive. But, equally, there are those who are able to balance those necessities out with a bit of higher-minded potentials. DT is nowhere near capable of any of that; it's all ego, all the time. I wish for him what I do for anyone.... to wake up. For DT, it is to wake from the relative nightmare that is being projected into the world.
That's precisely what I mean by that Trump is a symptom and not a cause. W', Billy, and Obama were (to varying degrees) better at presenting a facade, and, where ultimately, to a major extent, only figureheads anyway. It's magic illusion 101: "look here, not over there".
So, as we rapidly approach a point where the option of neutrality is fading, and our sources of information become more and more muddled and confused, I'm inclined and biased toward the bit of wisdom oft repeated during Watergate: "follow the money".
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Post by muttley on Nov 10, 2020 13:04:31 GMT
When I look internally, what I find is that I won't actually be sad/sorry to see the back of Donald...I can find a slight weariness of seeing his face on the UK news, hearing him talk, listening to all the moaning and gossiping about him etc.... I guess I could do with a fresh ego in my life. On the other hand, I think he could well have been cheated. I think there's something good about what he's been trying to do, I like his lack of respect for questionably 'benevolent' globalist movements, and I hope he has the fortitude, spirit and support to show the world some truths about how the system works i.e if he goes down, he kinda takes Biden's Dems down with him. I'm not sure the world needs DT, as much as it needs a good dose of honesty and integrity. Anymore vids that you care to share over the next few weeks, I'll very likely watch, thanks.
Interesting. I would not have assumed that you would find a soft spot for the likes of DT, but yeah, I get your take on the potential for a silver lining.
As for the need for more honesty and integrity, I absolutely agree. Now, imagining DT being an agent for that kind of change requires a major degree of creativity.
Tolle's "New Earth" is starting to seem rather prophetic at this point. The paraphrase ultra-short-summary is: "ego is likely to get much worse before it gets better". Now, of course, Tolle is projecting his own personal experiences there. |
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Post by muttley on Nov 10, 2020 13:16:26 GMT
Maybe the underlying argument is that only 3/5's of the urban vote should be counted Their fear is they do not think they can learn, relate to, and/or keep up with the changing demographics. They must use all means necessary to control what they cannot relate to.
Plus, closer to their base desires and identity, politicians do not want to lose their jobs. The facade must be maintained until other means are created/perceived.
An alternative narrative is: race is a wedge to distract the attention of the 99% from the actions of the 1%. It's fascinating to me how Western culture has all manner of aphorsim from literature and lost to folklore that echoes the Tao and Buddhist texts. One of these is: "you can always hire one half of the poor to kill the other half".
This isn't to deny racism, nor that this isn't a factor, to some degree, but simply to suggest that there's more going on that just that.
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