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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 19:59:20 GMT
The bolded is a pointer. Breath meditation accomplishes the same thing. When the breathing slows the mind follows. I don't think the mind's purpose is to slow down by effort. My efforts in meditation showed me that much. How can watching the breath be an effort? When you watch tv is there effort? |
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Post by Theodore on Jun 9, 2017 20:18:05 GMT
I don't think the mind's purpose is to slow down by effort. My efforts in meditation showed me that much. How can watching the breath be an effort? When you watch tv is there effort? Yes, I'm getting tired when I watch too much. Of course, watching your breath is much effort, and it involves a huge opportunity cost. It could be useful for some people, but I bet it's an infinitesmal fraction of the ones who practice it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 21:16:12 GMT
How can watching the breath be an effort? When you watch tv is there effort? Yes, I'm getting tired when I watch too much. Of course, watching your breath is much effort, and it involves a huge opportunity cost. It could be useful for some people, but I bet it's an infinitesmal fraction of the ones who practice it. Yes, when I first started meditation the mind was running amok. There was much efforting. But that was then, and this is now. Now, throughout the day I simply watch the breath. Shifting to the witness is subtle. Effortless. If I had it to do all over again, I would still incorporate meditation. |
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Post by Theodore on Jun 9, 2017 22:04:20 GMT
Yes, you became better at silencing the mind. That's very normal. It still involves a price to pay. I had acquired the ability to silence the mind and I was still miserable. Misery doesn't reside in the mind exclusively.
In my view, when the mind is running amok, there is a good reason. The last thing I want to do is silence it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 23:03:35 GMT
Yes, you became better at silencing the mind. That's very normal. It still involves a price to pay. I had acquired the ability to silence the mind and I was still miserable. Misery doesn't reside in the mind exclusively. In my view, when the mind is running amok, there is a good reason. The last thing I want to do is silence it. When you acquired the ability to silence the mind the sense perceptions didn't become more acute? I'm asking because the sense perceptions get to the party rather quickly. Mind is still looking for the perfect place to park. |
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Post by Theodore on Jun 9, 2017 23:09:22 GMT
Yes, you became better at silencing the mind. That's very normal. It still involves a price to pay. I had acquired the ability to silence the mind and I was still miserable. Misery doesn't reside in the mind exclusively. In my view, when the mind is running amok, there is a good reason. The last thing I want to do is silence it. When you acquired the ability to silence the mind the sense perceptions didn't become more acute? Yes, for a while. And then I would become hyper aware of various stuff only to breakdown with probably a new breakthrough realization following after that. Nothing that a thought about a woman can't do for me. It all takes time and energy I could devote being aware to more interesting stuff, for myself. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 23:34:38 GMT
When you acquired the ability to silence the mind the sense perceptions didn't become more acute? Yes, for a while. And then I would become hyper aware of various stuff only to breakdown with probably a new breakthrough realization following after that. Nothing that a thought about a woman can't do for me. It all takes time and energy I could devote being aware to more interesting stuff, for myself. I'm not sure I understand what you're sharing here, but it's okay. I happen to somehow know my role is to be. Nothing else. In that realization life becomes effortless. I am simple. |
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Post by Theodore on Jun 10, 2017 0:21:50 GMT
Yes, for a while. And then I would become hyper aware of various stuff only to breakdown with probably a new breakthrough realization following after that. Nothing that a thought about a woman can't do for me. It all takes time and energy I could devote being aware to more interesting stuff, for myself. I'm not sure I understand what you're sharing here, but it's okay. I happen to somehow know my role is to be. Nothing else. In that realization life becomes effortless. I am simple. If it is so, I don't get what you are doing in this forum. You should be out looking at the grass grow. This forum is anything but simple. But you asked me if silencing my mind didn't make my senses more acute. And I told you yes, it did. Why is that desirable? Blind men also get more acute senses otherwise, but nobody aspires to be blind. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 0:35:53 GMT
I'm not sure I understand what you're sharing here, but it's okay. I happen to somehow know my role is to be. Nothing else. In that realization life becomes effortless. I am simple. If it is so, I don't get what you are doing in this forum. You should be out looking at the grass grow. This forum is anything but simple. But you asked me if silencing my mind didn't make my senses more acute. And I told you yes, it did. Why is that desirable? Blind men also get more acute senses otherwise, but nobody aspires to be blind. I'm here because I have friends here. I was looking at the grass grow today while moving the sprinkler. Garden, too.  Why are acute senses more desirable? The blind man analogy you offered up should explain it. It's kinda proof positive that the world can't be found in the brain. Are you aware of the fact that no MRI has ever found a part of the brain that lights up when you experience yourself? Yet, you somehow know that you have a self. Where do you exist? In the brain? |
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Post by Theodore on Jun 10, 2017 0:49:07 GMT
If it is so, I don't get what you are doing in this forum. You should be out looking at the grass grow. This forum is anything but simple. But you asked me if silencing my mind didn't make my senses more acute. And I told you yes, it did. Why is that desirable? Blind men also get more acute senses otherwise, but nobody aspires to be blind. I'm here because I have friends here. I was looking at the grass grow today while moving the sprinkler. Garden, too. Why are acute senses more desirable? The blind man analogy you offered up should explain it. It's kinda proof positive that the world can't be found in the brain. Are you aware of the fact that no MRI has ever found a part of the brain that lights up when you experience yourself? Yet, you somehow know that you have a self. Where do you exist? In the brain?  You are getting acute senses in expense of your thought process. That that is desirable, is your very personal matter. I've decided it's not worth it, and that's mine. I was watching the sun rise today, and I am no simple man. I enjoy thoughts and visuals pretty much equally. The question 'Where do you exist' is pretty much a non-question. In final analysis, I do not exist per se, there is limited awareness, there seems to be a limited body and a limited world, there seems to be finite suffering and finite enjoyment, and that's it. No 'I' is needed (have I become Andrew?). |
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