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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2020 13:02:32 GMT
someNothing, I am creating this post for you. So tell me whether I understood you correctly.
This conversation assume you agree with idea that you are the witness of the game of life.
Let's compare a movie we are watching and the life we are witnessing. The key difference here is, when we watch the movie, we have all kind of preference, likes, the direction we would like the movie to go but at the core, we strongly know that we are actually watching the movie so at no point in time, we don't try to change the direction of the movie(Infact we know this is not possible). So we place ourselves as ultimate witness here. More closely put, knowing that I am watching the movie perfectly placing me as a witness. Now let's see what happens in the real life. We are doing the same, that is, we are watching the movie but at the start the movie, we don't know we are watching the movie, we believe ourselves to be one of the actor in the movie, so we try to change the movie direction, we try to control the flow and once we reach the realization that we are actually watching the movie, not acting or performing the changer role, we place ourselves to be the witness here. We are trying to change the direction of the movie in the real life because we still not yet know that we are witnessing the movie instead we are acting as one of the character of the movie. Once after the clear KNOWING, identify shift happens, We place ourselves as if we are watching the movie in the theoter. But the question is, If I found myself to be the changer of the flow, then I am still in the illusion. Did I understand you correctly? So what is ultimately missing here is this KNOWING that you are watching the movie, yes?
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Post by someNothing on May 3, 2020 13:36:37 GMT
someNothing, I am creating this post for you. So tell me whether I understood you correctly.
This conversation assume you agree with idea that you are the witness of the game of life.
Let's compare a movie we are watching and the life we are witnessing. The key difference here is, when we watch the movie, we have all kind of preference, likes, the direction we would like the movie to go but at the core, we strongly know that we are actually watching the movie so at no point in time, we don't try to change the direction of the movie(Infact we know this is not possible). So we place ourselves as ultimate witness here. More closely put, knowing that I am watching the movie perfectly placing me as a witness. Now let's see what happens in the real life. We are doing the same, that is, we are watching the movie but at the start the movie, we don't know we are watching the movie, we believe ourselves to be one of the actor in the movie, so we try to change the movie direction, we try to control the flow and once we reach the realization that we are actually watching the movie, not acting or performing the changer role, we place ourselves to be the witness here. We are trying to change the direction of the movie in the real life because we still not yet know that we are witnessing the movie instead we are acting as one of the character of the movie. Once after the clear KNOWING, identify shift happens, We place ourselves as if we are watching the movie in the theoter. But the question is, If I found myself to be the changer of the flow, then I am still in the illusion. Did I understand you correctly? So what is ultimately missing here is this KNOWING that you are watching the movie, yes?
Let’s just focus on the movie analogy for now. It seems like we’re grappling with unconscious identification as a process, which is an outcome of the “projector” in the movie theater. And I agree the analogy as stated by diaper guy (a playfully irreverent spiritually incorrect wink wink 😉) is a bit outdated and somewhat confusing considering the sophistication of the mind play these days. But, first of all, let’s just say most peeps are transfixed on the limited reality of the consensual trance reality (CTR) playing out on the large screen. They are unconsciously watching, oblivious to the fact they are watching a movie. I think you understand that, yes? This is the dream movie. So, you’ve become become conscious to the idea that you’re in a movie theater and watching the dream movie (DM). But, you’ve been stuck on some ideas that there’s a creator of this movie that is making the movie so the dream character can experience whatever...., right? I need you to tell me what you’re making of all this in your mind. If I get a little harsh with you, please know it’s nothing personal with your dream character. In this convo, that’s just a projection in the screen. How are you interpreting this context we’re exploring? |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2020 14:14:28 GMT
someNothing, I am creating this post for you. So tell me whether I understood you correctly.
This conversation assume you agree with idea that you are the witness of the game of life.
Let's compare a movie we are watching and the life we are witnessing. The key difference here is, when we watch the movie, we have all kind of preference, likes, the direction we would like the movie to go but at the core, we strongly know that we are actually watching the movie so at no point in time, we don't try to change the direction of the movie(Infact we know this is not possible). So we place ourselves as ultimate witness here. More closely put, knowing that I am watching the movie perfectly placing me as a witness. Now let's see what happens in the real life. We are doing the same, that is, we are watching the movie but at the start the movie, we don't know we are watching the movie, we believe ourselves to be one of the actor in the movie, so we try to change the movie direction, we try to control the flow and once we reach the realization that we are actually watching the movie, not acting or performing the changer role, we place ourselves to be the witness here. We are trying to change the direction of the movie in the real life because we still not yet know that we are witnessing the movie instead we are acting as one of the character of the movie. Once after the clear KNOWING, identify shift happens, We place ourselves as if we are watching the movie in the theoter. But the question is, If I found myself to be the changer of the flow, then I am still in the illusion. Did I understand you correctly? So what is ultimately missing here is this KNOWING that you are watching the movie, yes?
Let’s just focus on the movie analogy for now. It seems like we’re grappling with unconscious identification as a process, which is an outcome of the “projector” in the movie theater. And I agree the analogy as stated by diaper guy (a playfully irreverent spiritually incorrect wink wink 😉) is a bit outdated and somewhat confusing considering the sophistication of the mind play these days. But, first of all, let’s just say most peeps are transfixed on the limited reality of the consensual trance reality (CTR) playing out on the large screen. They are unconsciously watching, oblivious to the fact they are watching a movie. I think you understand that, yes? This is the dream movie. So, you’ve become become conscious to the idea that you’re in a movie theater and watching the dream movie (DM). But, you’ve been stuck on some ideas that there’s a creator of this movie that is making the movie so the dream character can experience whatever...., right?I need you to tell me what you’re making of all this in your mind. If I get a little harsh with you, please know it’s nothing personal with your dream character. In this convo, that’s just a projection in the screen. How are you interpreting this context we’re exploring? I am not assuming that I am a creator of my life, that's the way I see my life, everytime I notice or see through the illusion, the drama changes If the drama changes, then I am not only watching the movie but creating as well. Enigma would agree with me here. Do you deny that you are the creator of the movie? If you deny, then you have to explain me why it is so? If there is only consciousness exist as you say, who else is going to the creator of your perceptions?
No problem with any of your writing, I told you to stop criticizing about my inability to form the lines in English because you always attack my English so I assumed that you did it. I agree that I can't write like you or figgles or enigma and also I know I can't write in english like I write in Tamil. And another problem is you wrongly assume that I always convert Tamil into English, infact it was the case in the beginning but not right now. If you learned any other language other than English, you might be knowing what I am saying now. You would not be translating everytime to your mother language when you write or speak, that would be the case in the beginning but not after that.
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Post by someNothing on May 3, 2020 15:07:35 GMT
Let’s just focus on the movie analogy for now. It seems like we’re grappling with unconscious identification as a process, which is an outcome of the “projector” in the movie theater. And I agree the analogy as stated by diaper guy (a playfully irreverent spiritually incorrect wink wink 😉) is a bit outdated and somewhat confusing considering the sophistication of the mind play these days. But, first of all, let’s just say most peeps are transfixed on the limited reality of the consensual trance reality (CTR) playing out on the large screen. They are unconsciously watching, oblivious to the fact they are watching a movie. I think you understand that, yes? This is the dream movie. So, you’ve become become conscious to the idea that you’re in a movie theater and watching the dream movie (DM). But, you’ve been stuck on some ideas that there’s a creator of this movie that is making the movie so the dream character can experience whatever...., right?I need you to tell me what you’re making of all this in your mind. If I get a little harsh with you, please know it’s nothing personal with your dream character. In this convo, that’s just a projection in the screen. How are you interpreting this context we’re exploring? I am not assuming that I am a creator of my life, that's the way I see my life, everytime I notice or see through the illusion, the drama changes If the drama changes, then I am not only watching the movie but creating as well. Enigma would agree with me here. Do you deny that you are the creator of the movie? If you deny, then you have to explain me why it is so? If there is only consciousness exist as you say, who else is going to the creator of your perceptions?
No problem with any of your writing, I told you to stop criticizing about my inability to form the lines in English because you always attack my English so I assumed that you did it. I agree that I can't write like you or figgles or enigma and also I know I can't write in english like I write in Tamil. And another problem is you wrongly assume that I always convert Tamil into English, infact it was the case in the beginning but not right now. If you learned any other language other than English, you might be knowing what I am saying now. You would not be translating everytime to your mother language when you write or speak, that would be the case in the beginning but not after that.
OK, this is a source of confusion in trying to interpret what you are attempting to express.
The only reason I am critical of any language skill issue is with respect to what I see as misunderstandings in the interculturally communicative context of a very subtle topic. In other words, I ain't here to teach English or intercultural communications. After 25 years of becoming more and more acutely aware of how languages are learned, how cognition is promoted in Second Language Acquisition, what culture is and how intercultural competence is acquired, where communications break down, and so on and so forth, I was simply offering a potential source of that miscommunication... in support of you. On the other hand, I have probably given more compliments of how much your language skills have improved (because I am actually impressed) than I have been critical, but you plainly don't remember those and have now jumped to the the conclusions you have offered. To even use the word "attack" in respect to your response to the lines I wrote (that you quoted) is, imo, painfully indicative of your state of mind right now.
So, without further ado, welcome to attachment to the dream character. The struggle is with delusion, not with me. So, I guess we'll stop there for now. I don't have time to discuss something you're not even willing to look at.
Good day.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2020 14:09:49 GMT
I am not assuming that I am a creator of my life, that's the way I see my life, everytime I notice or see through the illusion, the drama changes If the drama changes, then I am not only watching the movie but creating as well. Enigma would agree with me here. Do you deny that you are the creator of the movie? If you deny, then you have to explain me why it is so? If there is only consciousness exist as you say, who else is going to the creator of your perceptions?
No problem with any of your writing, I told you to stop criticizing about my inability to form the lines in English because you always attack my English so I assumed that you did it. I agree that I can't write like you or figgles or enigma and also I know I can't write in english like I write in Tamil. And another problem is you wrongly assume that I always convert Tamil into English, infact it was the case in the beginning but not right now. If you learned any other language other than English, you might be knowing what I am saying now. You would not be translating everytime to your mother language when you write or speak, that would be the case in the beginning but not after that.
OK, this is a source of confusion in trying to interpret what you are attempting to express.
The only reason I am critical of any language skill issue is with respect to what I see as misunderstandings in the interculturally communicative context of a very subtle topic. In other words, I ain't here to teach English or intercultural communications. After 25 years of becoming more and more acutely aware of how languages are learned, how cognition is promoted in Second Language Acquisition, what culture is and how intercultural competence is acquired, where communications break down, and so on and so forth, I was simply offering a potential source of that miscommunication... in support of you. On the other hand, I have probably given more compliments of how much your language skills have improved (because I am actually impressed) than I have been critical, but you plainly don't remember those and have now jumped to the the conclusions you have offered. To even use the word "attack" in respect to your response to the lines I wrote (that you quoted) is, imo, painfully indicative of your state of mind right now.
So, without further ado, welcome to attachment to the dream character. The struggle is with delusion, not with me. So, I guess we'll stop there for now. I don't have time to discuss something you're not even willing to look at.
Good day.
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Post by Enigma on May 5, 2020 19:51:51 GMT
Let’s just focus on the movie analogy for now. It seems like we’re grappling with unconscious identification as a process, which is an outcome of the “projector” in the movie theater. And I agree the analogy as stated by diaper guy (a playfully irreverent spiritually incorrect wink wink 😉) is a bit outdated and somewhat confusing considering the sophistication of the mind play these days. But, first of all, let’s just say most peeps are transfixed on the limited reality of the consensual trance reality (CTR) playing out on the large screen. They are unconsciously watching, oblivious to the fact they are watching a movie. I think you understand that, yes? This is the dream movie. So, you’ve become become conscious to the idea that you’re in a movie theater and watching the dream movie (DM). But, you’ve been stuck on some ideas that there’s a creator of this movie that is making the movie so the dream character can experience whatever...., right?I need you to tell me what you’re making of all this in your mind. If I get a little harsh with you, please know it’s nothing personal with your dream character. In this convo, that’s just a projection in the screen. How are you interpreting this context we’re exploring? I am not assuming that I am a creator of my life, that's the way I see my life, everytime I notice or see through the illusion, the drama changes If the drama changes, then I am not only watching the movie but creating as well. Enigma would agree with me here. Do you deny that you are the creator of the movie? If you deny, then you have to explain me why it is so? If there is only consciousness exist as you say, who else is going to the creator of your perceptions?
No problem with any of your writing, I told you to stop criticizing about my inability to form the lines in English because you always attack my English so I assumed that you did it. I agree that I can't write like you or figgles or enigma and also I know I can't write in english like I write in Tamil. And another problem is you wrongly assume that I always convert Tamil into English, infact it was the case in the beginning but not right now. If you learned any other language other than English, you might be knowing what I am saying now. You would not be translating everytime to your mother language when you write or speak, that would be the case in the beginning but not after that.
I'm pretty sure all of his languaging 'criticism' is intended to be helpful. If I recall, he's been involved in such translating efforts professionally, and is just trying to help. |
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Post by Enigma on May 5, 2020 19:56:33 GMT
I am not assuming that I am a creator of my life, that's the way I see my life, everytime I notice or see through the illusion, the drama changes If the drama changes, then I am not only watching the movie but creating as well. Enigma would agree with me here. Do you deny that you are the creator of the movie? If you deny, then you have to explain me why it is so? If there is only consciousness exist as you say, who else is going to the creator of your perceptions?
No problem with any of your writing, I told you to stop criticizing about my inability to form the lines in English because you always attack my English so I assumed that you did it. I agree that I can't write like you or figgles or enigma and also I know I can't write in english like I write in Tamil. And another problem is you wrongly assume that I always convert Tamil into English, infact it was the case in the beginning but not right now. If you learned any other language other than English, you might be knowing what I am saying now. You would not be translating everytime to your mother language when you write or speak, that would be the case in the beginning but not after that.
OK, this is a source of confusion in trying to interpret what you are attempting to express.
The only reason I am critical of any language skill issue is with respect to what I see as misunderstandings in the interculturally communicative context of a very subtle topic. In other words, I ain't here to teach English or intercultural communications. After 25 years of becoming more and more acutely aware of how languages are learned, how cognition is promoted in Second Language Acquisition, what culture is and how intercultural competence is acquired, where communications break down, and so on and so forth, I was simply offering a potential source of that miscommunication... in support of you. On the other hand, I have probably given more compliments of how much your language skills have improved (because I am actually impressed) than I have been critical, but you plainly don't remember those and have now jumped to the the conclusions you have offered. To even use the word "attack" in respect to your response to the lines I wrote (that you quoted) is, imo, painfully indicative of your state of mind right now.
So, without further ado, welcome to attachment to the dream character. The struggle is with delusion, not with me. So, I guess we'll stop there for now. I don't have time to discuss something you're not even willing to look at.
Good day.
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Post by someNothing on May 5, 2020 21:37:54 GMT
OK, this is a source of confusion in trying to interpret what you are attempting to express.
The only reason I am critical of any language skill issue is with respect to what I see as misunderstandings in the interculturally communicative context of a very subtle topic. In other words, I ain't here to teach English or intercultural communications. After 25 years of becoming more and more acutely aware of how languages are learned, how cognition is promoted in Second Language Acquisition, what culture is and how intercultural competence is acquired, where communications break down, and so on and so forth, I was simply offering a potential source of that miscommunication... in support of you. On the other hand, I have probably given more compliments of how much your language skills have improved (because I am actually impressed) than I have been critical, but you plainly don't remember those and have now jumped to the the conclusions you have offered. To even use the word "attack" in respect to your response to the lines I wrote (that you quoted) is, imo, painfully indicative of your state of mind right now.
So, without further ado, welcome to attachment to the dream character. The struggle is with delusion, not with me. So, I guess we'll stop there for now. I don't have time to discuss something you're not even willing to look at.
Good day.
It has been for me as well. Never been able to get clear on the issue.
Gopal is a trooper, to be sure. I think it will be helpful for him to explain it and attempt to express clearly.
I do wish he'd acknowledge that particualr feedback above, and attempt to clarify it. It gets glossed over as the attention is drawn to another/related topic, and I forget to hold him to it.
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Post by Figgles on May 5, 2020 21:42:37 GMT
OK, this is a source of confusion in trying to interpret what you are attempting to express.
The only reason I am critical of any language skill issue is with respect to what I see as misunderstandings in the interculturally communicative context of a very subtle topic. In other words, I ain't here to teach English or intercultural communications. After 25 years of becoming more and more acutely aware of how languages are learned, how cognition is promoted in Second Language Acquisition, what culture is and how intercultural competence is acquired, where communications break down, and so on and so forth, I was simply offering a potential source of that miscommunication... in support of you. On the other hand, I have probably given more compliments of how much your language skills have improved (because I am actually impressed) than I have been critical, but you plainly don't remember those and have now jumped to the the conclusions you have offered. To even use the word "attack" in respect to your response to the lines I wrote (that you quoted) is, imo, painfully indicative of your state of mind right now. So, without further ado, welcome to attachment to the dream character. The struggle is with delusion, not with me. So, I guess we'll stop there for now. I don't have time to discuss something you're not even willing to look at.
Good day.
It has been for me as well. Never been able to get clear on the issue. Ditto. |
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