Enigma
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Post by Enigma on Jul 13, 2020 23:20:06 GMT
Yes, or an experience that later gets re-interpreted. Yup. That's what he's describing really isn't it..? A "re-interpretation." The thing is, a better understanding of an experience implies the experience was objectively created to begin with, such that the objective truth of it could be understood years latter. It's a logical extension of the idea that experiences hold transcendent truth, if only we could interpret them 'correctly'.
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Post by Enigma on Jul 13, 2020 23:23:07 GMT
If course you like it and thus, characterize it as 'civilized.' After all, you are not at all comfy having your ontology challenged. You just want to put it out there and have it be accepted, absent any questions. You'd do well to look at that Sifty. He would no doubt agree to disagree with you about that.
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Post by Figgles on Jul 14, 2020 0:38:06 GMT
If course you like it and thus, characterize it as 'civilized.' After all, you are not at all comfy having your ontology challenged. You just want to put it out there and have it be accepted, absent any questions. You'd do well to look at that Sifty. He would no doubt agree to disagree with you about that.
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Post by Figgles on Jul 21, 2020 0:30:37 GMT
Arrival at an answer to an existential question always means mind jumped in where it had no place. Existential questions, in clarity, are revealed to misconceived. It's only an imaginary SVP that quests after the how's and why's of that which defies such capture.
Again, you are constantly saying that reality defies mind's capture, but then you simultaneously talk about arriving at answers to existential questions...there's a huge contradiction there.
The context from which an existential question arises is the relative and thus, any answer you arrive at, will be of the same. You don't ask a relative context question and receive an answer for the absolute context, other than that answer being that the question was misconceived.
The fact that he attached a timeline (years) of contemplation is a contradiction to the other stuff he's negating there. The idea that arrival at Truth requires any activity at all, let alone a particular duration of that activity is a nonsense.
While the seeker is indeed falsely assumed to be a something that exists inherent to the experience of seeking, the seeking itself, as an experience is not imagined, nor is the experience of marketplaces, teachers and most importantly, 'world.'
The phenomenal world of appearance DOES appear...it is experienced and that's how you are aware of it...it arises in experience. You don't "imagine" that experience is arising, you know experience to be arising because there IS experience.
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Post by Enigma on Jul 22, 2020 0:03:47 GMT
Arrival at an answer to an existential question always means mind jumped in where it had no place. Existential questions, in clarity, are revealed to misconceived. It's only an imaginary SVP that quests after the how's and why's of that which defies such capture. Again, you are constantly saying that reality defies mind's capture, but then you simultaneously talk about arriving at answers to existential questions...there's a huge contradiction there. The context from which an existential question arises is the relative and thus, any answer you arrive at, will be of the same. You don't ask a relative context question and receive an answer for the absolute context, other than that answer being that the question was misconceived. The fact that he attached a timeline (years) of contemplation is a contradiction to the other stuff he's negating there. The idea that arrival at Truth requires any activity at all, let alone a particular duration of that activity is a nonsense. While the seeker is indeed falsely assumed to be a something that exists inherent to the experience of seeking, the seeking itself, as an experience is not imagined, nor is the experience of marketplaces, teachers and most importantly, 'world.' The phenomenal world of appearance DOES appear...it is experienced and that's how you are aware of it...it arises in experience. You don't "imagine" that experience is arising, you know experience to be arising because there IS experience. Yes. One simple moment of clarity, and always NOW. The hole in that theory is that there is no advice unless imagined, and no indivisible (oneness).
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Post by Figgles on Jul 23, 2020 22:19:40 GMT
Yes!
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Post by Enigma on Jul 24, 2020 18:52:38 GMT
The only time you two agree is when you're discussing on different forums.
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Post by muttley on Jul 24, 2020 19:38:35 GMT
The only time you two agree is when you're discussing on different forums. (** snicker **)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 0:53:12 GMT
The only time you two agree is when you're discussing on different forums. Can't stop laughing please send help
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Post by Figgles on Jul 25, 2020 2:33:57 GMT
The only time you two agree is when you're discussing on different forums.
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