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Post by Figgles on Jun 28, 2023 20:07:28 GMT
Perception is not being done by a 'some-one/some-thing.' It simply is. And yes, if we must use that term 'creation' (I don't like it!) then perception IS creation.
SR reveals there is not "a" perceiver....nor is there "a" creator.
& Turns out "perceiving" and "creating/creation," are just mind-made terms to try to describe what's going on. There isn't actually a someone or a something that IS "perceiving/seeing." Perception/seeing just happens....awareness AS aware of arising/appearing content. No-thing or no-one 'doing that.'
Creation/creating is an idea arising in a mind that is trying very hard to pin down that which ultimately, cannot be pinned down.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2023 3:45:32 GMT
Perception is not being done by a 'some-one/some-thing.' It simply is. And yes, if we must use that term 'creation' (I don't like it!) then perception IS creation. SR reveals there is not "a" perceiver....nor is there "a" creator. & Turns out "perceiving" and "creating/creation," are just mind-made terms to try to describe what's going on. There isn't actually a someone or a something that IS "perceiving/seeing." Perception/seeing just happens....awareness AS aware of arising/appearing content. No-thing or no-one 'doing that.' Creation/creating is an idea arising in a mind that is trying very hard to pin down that which ultimately, cannot be pinned down. This can't be rationalized. I agree that there is only perceiving. There is no one perceiving. But if I ask you what do you see and you reply, "I" see a tree, in that context you are responding as someone who is seeing a tree even though when you were looking at the tree before you were asked the question there was just seeing.
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Post by Figgles on Jun 29, 2023 4:15:36 GMT
Perception is not being done by a 'some-one/some-thing.' It simply is. And yes, if we must use that term 'creation' (I don't like it!) then perception IS creation. SR reveals there is not "a" perceiver....nor is there "a" creator. & Turns out "perceiving" and "creating/creation," are just mind-made terms to try to describe what's going on. There isn't actually a someone or a something that IS "perceiving/seeing." Perception/seeing just happens....awareness AS aware of arising/appearing content. No-thing or no-one 'doing that.' Creation/creating is an idea arising in a mind that is trying very hard to pin down that which ultimately, cannot be pinned down. This can't be rationalized. I agree that there is only perceiving. There is no one perceiving. But if I ask you what do you see and you reply, "I" see a tree, in that context you are responding as someone who is seeing a tree even though when you were looking at the tree before you were asked the question there was just seeing.Yes, agreed....relatively speaking, "perceiving people" as an appearance, remain a facet of the story....and that in no way contradicts or mars the "ultimate" Truth of no-one/no-thing that is a perceiver.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2023 4:21:56 GMT
This can't be rationalized. I agree that there is only perceiving. There is no one perceiving. But if I ask you what do you see and you reply, "I" see a tree, in that context you are responding as someone who is seeing a tree even though when you were looking at the tree before you were asked the question there was just seeing.Yes, agreed....relatively speaking, "perceiving people" as an appearance, remain a facet of the story....and that in no way contradicts or mars the "ultimate" Truth of no-one/no-thing that is a perceiver. But even if you respond to another by saying, I see the tree, it doesn't mean you identify as the I that saw the tree. There is still only just perceiving.
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Post by Figgles on Jun 29, 2023 5:45:28 GMT
Yes, agreed....relatively speaking, "perceiving people" as an appearance, remain a facet of the story....and that in no way contradicts or mars the "ultimate" Truth of no-one/no-thing that is a perceiver. But even if you respond to another by saying, I see the tree, it doesn't mean you identify as the I that saw the tree. There is still only just perceiving. Exactly.
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Post by Gopal on Jun 30, 2023 3:50:54 GMT
Perception is not being done by a 'some-one/some-thing.' It simply is. And yes, if we must use that term 'creation' (I don't like it!) then perception IS creation. SR reveals there is not "a" perceiver....nor is there "a" creator. & Turns out "perceiving" and "creating/creation," are just mind-made terms to try to describe what's going on. There isn't actually a someone or a something that IS "perceiving/seeing." Perception/seeing just happens....awareness AS aware of arising/appearing content. No-thing or no-one 'doing that.' Creation/creating is an idea arising in a mind that is trying very hard to pin down that which ultimately, cannot be pinned down. The one who never attain clarity can not know what I am talking about.
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Post by Gopal on Jun 30, 2023 3:52:13 GMT
Yes, agreed....relatively speaking, "perceiving people" as an appearance, remain a facet of the story....and that in no way contradicts or mars the "ultimate" Truth of no-one/no-thing that is a perceiver. But even if you respond to another by saying, I see the tree, it doesn't mean you identify as the I that saw the tree. There is still only just perceiving. You definitely act like an individual but you know who you are. You are not an individual who creates the life, you are just witnessing what's arising.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2023 3:54:28 GMT
But even if you respond to another by saying, I see the tree, it doesn't mean you identify as the I that saw the tree. There is still only just perceiving. You definitely act like an individual but you know who you are. You are not an individual who creates the life, you are just witnessing what's arising. That's correct. We all act like individuals.
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Post by Figgles on Jun 30, 2023 4:53:08 GMT
Perception is not being done by a 'some-one/some-thing.' It simply is. And yes, if we must use that term 'creation' (I don't like it!) then perception IS creation. SR reveals there is not "a" perceiver....nor is there "a" creator. & Turns out "perceiving" and "creating/creation," are just mind-made terms to try to describe what's going on. There isn't actually a someone or a something that IS "perceiving/seeing." Perception/seeing just happens....awareness AS aware of arising/appearing content. No-thing or no-one 'doing that.' Creation/creating is an idea arising in a mind that is trying very hard to pin down that which ultimately, cannot be pinned down. The one who never attain clarity can not know what I am talking about. Okie Dokie. Somethin' tells me you didn't use the chat-bot for that one.
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Post by Gopal on Jun 30, 2023 6:35:33 GMT
You definitely act like an individual but you know who you are. You are not an individual who creates the life, you are just witnessing what's arising. That's correct. We all act like individuals. Yes. our view point is receiving the perceptions and thoughts. And one of the thoughts tells that we could make the decision because we don't know the truth.
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