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Post by Figgles on Apr 25, 2017 23:56:19 GMT
From a vantage point of simply seeing that all that arises in the phenomenal world, is equally an expression of God, Mother Theresa is indeed, equal to Hitler. That particular seeing is devoid of personal judgement.....all is being rendered down into "God expresses as the phenomenal world." Thereby, that focus, where all is rendered equal, contains none of the judgements that render one expression better or worse, more moral, less moral, preferred, not preferred.
Absent judgement, all actions, all actors, can be seen as inherently innocent, equally of God, all arising of the same ground of being.
When the actions of a murderer and the actions of a saint are not being judged on their goodness vs. badness, or on any other basis, but rather are simply seen as 'happenings....Universal unfoldings,' there is nothing in play to create any sort of heirarchy or good vs. bad, wanted vs. not wanted, etc, that would thereby render them 'not equal' as manifestations of God Godding, Universe unfolding.
I’ve been told previously when making this point, that I am denying judgement, denying the objective 'badness' and 'goodness,' of each individual. Not so. Is one who compares two distinct waves arising in the surf, to declare that they both equally arise from the same ocean, in denial of the surface differences of the waves?
Of course not. In the moment where it is seen that all waves, regardless of whether they are big/small/choppy/flat, are of the same fundamental Source, those characteristics are not being denied, but rather, are simply not at the forefront of the focus.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 18:48:55 GMT
From a vantage point of simply seeing that all that arises in the phenomenal world, is equally an expression of God, Mother Theresa is indeed, equal to Hitler. That particular seeing is devoid of personal judgement.....all is being rendered down into "God expresses as the phenomenal world." Thereby, that focus, where all is rendered equal, contains none of the judgements that render one expression better or worse, more moral, less moral, preferred, not preferred. Absent judgement, all actions, all actors, can be seen as inherently innocent, equally of God, all arising of the same ground of being. When the actions of a murderer and the actions of a saint are not being judged on their goodness vs. badness, or on any other basis, but rather are simply seen as 'happenings....Universal unfoldings,' there is nothing in play to create any sort of heirarchy or good vs. bad, wanted vs. not wanted, etc, that would thereby render them 'not equal' as manifestations of God Godding, Universe unfolding. I’ve been told previously when making this point, that I am denying judgement, denying the objective 'badness' and 'goodness,' of each individual. Not so. Is one who compares two distinct waves arising in the surf, to declare that they both equally arise from the same ocean, in denial of the surface differences of the waves? Of course not. In the moment where it is seen that all waves, regardless of whether they are big/small/choppy/flat, are of the same fundamental Source, those characteristics are not being denied, but rather, are simply not at the forefront of the focus. I believe every mind-body is created to take care of certain action so they both are created to take care of different action in the world. Reefs has been created to do stupid work but still perfect. |
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Post by Figgles on Apr 28, 2017 20:04:31 GMT
I believe every mind-body is created to take care of certain action so they both are created to take care of different action in the world. Yeah,It certainly does look that way from a position of just observing things. I would say though that to know that is the case for certain, you would have to know for a fact that there is a God/creator who has a particular plan for the way it all unfolds. I cannot say that I know that for certain...can you? LOL....  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 21:11:09 GMT
From a vantage point of simply seeing that all that arises in the phenomenal world, is equally an expression of God, Mother Theresa is indeed, equal to Hitler. That particular seeing is devoid of personal judgement.....all is being rendered down into "God expresses as the phenomenal world." Thereby, that focus, where all is rendered equal, contains none of the judgements that render one expression better or worse, more moral, less moral, preferred, not preferred. Absent judgement, all actions, all actors, can be seen as inherently innocent, equally of God, all arising of the same ground of being. When the actions of a murderer and the actions of a saint are not being judged on their goodness vs. badness, or on any other basis, but rather are simply seen as 'happenings....Universal unfoldings,' there is nothing in play to create any sort of heirarchy or good vs. bad, wanted vs. not wanted, etc, that would thereby render them 'not equal' as manifestations of God Godding, Universe unfolding. I’ve been told previously when making this point, that I am denying judgement, denying the objective 'badness' and 'goodness,' of each individual. Not so. Is one who compares two distinct waves arising in the surf, to declare that they both equally arise from the same ocean, in denial of the surface differences of the waves? Of course not. In the moment where it is seen that all waves, regardless of whether they are big/small/choppy/flat, are of the same fundamental Source, those characteristics are not being denied, but rather, are simply not at the forefront of the focus. All we really know is that phenomena appears via the sense organs of a human being. We know that when a contact with Reality takes place, it consists of a series of flashes which gives rise to a sensation. The sensation is felt by the person and it's like a movie screen pops up and an image appears as a response to the sensation, as a tree, a mountain, a cloud or some other thing. Does that mean that in absolute truth our senses have made contact with a real tree, a real mountain, a real cloud, etc? There is no proof of this, the only evidence of existence is dependent of the senses. Interpreted in our own way, adding to it images of our own invention. Can we say with any certainty that the 'interpretations' of the sense perceptions are the expressions of God or the invention of the mind? However that doesn't mean that we should believe that we have been taken in by a pure mirage. Not completely anyway. Most likely the stimulus corresponds to something, but this something, that is to say the object of some kind with which one of our senses has made contact, remains unknown to us. It is the unknown that is being ignored in our perception of Reality and why teachers tell us that the Universe is a mental construct. |
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Post by Figgles on Apr 28, 2017 21:22:43 GMT
All we really know is that phenomena appears via the sense organs of a human being. yes, agreed. (& Welcome! ) I always say, if it seems 'real', then it's real enough. To be honest, that term 'real' always kinda gets me...not my fave at all when talking about this stuff. yes. I would say that which I'm terming "God," also gives rise to mind..no separation, so ultimately, same 'thing,' (no-thing ) I like how you put that...and yeah, I agree. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 23:46:10 GMT
From a vantage point of simply seeing that all that arises in the phenomenal world, is equally an expression of God, Mother Theresa is indeed, equal to Hitler. That particular seeing is devoid of personal judgement.....all is being rendered down into "God expresses as the phenomenal world." Thereby, that focus, where all is rendered equal, contains none of the judgements that render one expression better or worse, more moral, less moral, preferred, not preferred. Absent judgement, all actions, all actors, can be seen as inherently innocent, equally of God, all arising of the same ground of being. When the actions of a murderer and the actions of a saint are not being judged on their goodness vs. badness, or on any other basis, but rather are simply seen as 'happenings....Universal unfoldings,' there is nothing in play to create any sort of heirarchy or good vs. bad, wanted vs. not wanted, etc, that would thereby render them 'not equal' as manifestations of God Godding, Universe unfolding. I’ve been told previously when making this point, that I am denying judgement, denying the objective 'badness' and 'goodness,' of each individual. Not so. Is one who compares two distinct waves arising in the surf, to declare that they both equally arise from the same ocean, in denial of the surface differences of the waves? Of course not. In the moment where it is seen that all waves, regardless of whether they are big/small/choppy/flat, are of the same fundamental Source, those characteristics are not being denied, but rather, are simply not at the forefront of the focus. I believe every mind-body is created to take care of certain action so they both are created to take care of different action in the world. Reefs has been created to do stupid work but still perfect. Yeah, there is an effort by Reefs to control the way people relate and present themselves to each other. The fact is people are selfish and people cannot not play one-upmanship games. People are hypocritical and intolerant. But when you set up an in-group like they have at ST, as the unselfish, the non hypocritical, the non-game players, the conscious and the tolerant you automatically create it's opposite. But instead of recognizing and accepting their roles and the roles they create as being interrelated, they try to censor everyone who would dare challenge them. They were failing miserably at trying to defend their role and had Reefs step in to silence that which cannot be silenced, because it is part and parcel with their own self-identity. So yeah, Reefs gave himself the role of being the architect of the demise of the ST forum. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 3:50:55 GMT
I believe every mind-body is created to take care of certain action so they both are created to take care of different action in the world. Yeah,It certainly does look that way from a position of just observing things. I would say though that to know that is the case for certain, you would have to know for a fact that there is a God/creator who has a particular plan for the way it all unfolds. I cannot say that I know that for certain...can you? LOL.... Yes, you can't know for certain, it's a conclusion arises out of experience. But we attract certain peeps into our experience to bring out certain expression, once those expression dies out through the realization those people moved out of our experience. In my experience, I experience rollercoaster, happiness continue to remain for certain period and then I attract Reefs to ban me to bring the unhappiness , This rollercoaster goes on and on in my life. I attract people into my experience and they do their Job and their stamped characters are necessary to bring out those expression in me. I am not sure whether you have had the same experience in your life. Sure, I have to some degree. I have indeed had people appear in my life and then disappear, and I can easily draw a parallel between a pattern that played out, an inner shift, followed by their exit from my experience. But I've also had folks (family members for example), stay in my life, following the playing out of a pattern and then a positive shift where that changed dramatically, so I don't always have the experience that once a certain pattern expresses itself and ends with someone, that they necessarily, then, disappear from my life. It is a neat way to look at things though and I do to a certain degree rez with the idea that everyone who appears, is playing a part in the 'play' of my dreamscape..that they are there to evoke a very particular experience. I would say that view/idea arises more if/when there is conflict than any other time. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 3:53:02 GMT
From a vantage point of simply seeing that all that arises in the phenomenal world, is equally an expression of God, Mother Theresa is indeed, equal to Hitler. That particular seeing is devoid of personal judgement.....all is being rendered down into "God expresses as the phenomenal world." Thereby, that focus, where all is rendered equal, contains none of the judgements that render one expression better or worse, more moral, less moral, preferred, not preferred. Absent judgement, all actions, all actors, can be seen as inherently innocent, equally of God, all arising of the same ground of being. When the actions of a murderer and the actions of a saint are not being judged on their goodness vs. badness, or on any other basis, but rather are simply seen as 'happenings....Universal unfoldings,' there is nothing in play to create any sort of heirarchy or good vs. bad, wanted vs. not wanted, etc, that would thereby render them 'not equal' as manifestations of God Godding, Universe unfolding. I’ve been told previously when making this point, that I am denying judgement, denying the objective 'badness' and 'goodness,' of each individual. Not so. Is one who compares two distinct waves arising in the surf, to declare that they both equally arise from the same ocean, in denial of the surface differences of the waves? Of course not. In the moment where it is seen that all waves, regardless of whether they are big/small/choppy/flat, are of the same fundamental Source, those characteristics are not being denied, but rather, are simply not at the forefront of the focus. All we really know is that phenomena appears via the sense organs of a human being. We know that when a contact with Reality takes place, it consists of a series of flashes which gives rise to a sensation. The sensation is felt by the person and it's like a movie screen pops up and an image appears as a response to the sensation, as a tree, a mountain, a cloud or some other thing. Does that mean that in absolute truth our senses have made contact with a real tree, a real mountain, a real cloud, etc? There is no proof of this, the only evidence of existence is dependent of the senses. Interpreted in our own way, adding to it images of our own invention. Can we say with any certainty that the 'interpretations' of the sense perceptions are the expressions of God or the invention of the mind? However that doesn't mean that we should believe that we have been taken in by a pure mirage. Not completely anyway. Most likely the stimulus corresponds to something, but this something, that is to say the object of some kind with which one of our senses has made contact, remains unknown to us. It is the unknown that is being ignored in our perception of Reality and why teachers tell us that the Universe is a mental construct. Hi Source, Welcome! |
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Post by Figgles on May 7, 2017 16:40:14 GMT
If the eye never sleeps, all dreams will naturally cease. If the mind makes no discrimination, the ten thousand things are as they are, of single essence. to understand the mystery of this One-essence is to be released from all entanglements. When all things are seen equally the time-less Self-essence is reached. No comparisons or analogies are possible in this causeless, relationless state.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 17:45:07 GMT
I believe every mind-body is created to take care of certain action so they both are created to take care of different action in the world. Reefs has been created to do stupid work but still perfect. Yeah, there is an effort by Reefs to control the way people relate and present themselves to each other. The fact is people are selfish and people cannot not play one-upmanship games. People are hypocritical and intolerant. But when you set up an in-group like they have at ST, as the unselfish, the non hypocritical, the non-game players, the conscious and the tolerant you automatically create it's opposite. But instead of recognizing and accepting their roles and the roles they create as being interrelated, they try to censor everyone who would dare challenge them. They were failing miserably at trying to defend their role and had Reefs step in to silence that which cannot be silenced, because it is part and parcel with their own self-identity. So yeah, Reefs gave himself the role of being the architect of the demise of the ST forum. Correct! Reefs can't even manage himself properly. You don't know about him much, in the past I have seen threads in others forums other than ST about whether Reefs has to be banned or not. One of the forum I have seen the thread was 'Stevepavlina forum'. In the past he said something about harmony and which he clearly contradicts as soon as he become moderator which Figgles has taken and shown to him but immediately he gave the warning. He is not balanced in his own life, I don't know how could ZD can advocate him as a moderator because he is not even has the eligibility to be a member there. Everybody knows that ! I am watching ST is loosing the conversation day by day all teachers of the forum has been waiting to teach somebody but they find no one and argument is also not moving. Only you,Andrew,Tenka's participation is the only reason forum still moves! |
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