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Post by someNothing on Mar 3, 2021 12:44:40 GMT
First of all, a thank you to Figgles for sticking with me behind the scenes and Muttley and Andrew in bringing me to this forum. ‘I’ have been on this path for a while and often out of frustration of not getting ‘it’ I left it behind to make the dream better instead, which appeared to work to a certain degree. However, the urge to know never quite left me alone. I had it intellectually. Became as conscious as one probably can without leaving the svp, but when the seeing finally became clear it was an ‘ohhhhhhhh’ moment. It was scary. I was alone with my phone listening to Sailor Bob on Facebook and constantly enquiring, a voice in my head telling me to keep going. I see now where the perceived block was which may or may not be useful for others or anyone teaching others. My mind subtley had me convinced that the observer of thoughts was listening to thought and believing them. I couldn’t crack who that was. The other night was a seeing through that, that only thought, empty of any meaning appears. The pointer of ‘where were you before you were born’ was extremely helpful too. My mind was looking for ‘something’ but IT can not be found by the mind. You can not even label it, yet it exists. The closest I currently have is to call it ‘space’ but my mind imagines outerspace and that’s not it. It’s no-thing and within it everything appears. There has been an intensity in holding onto this as the mind didn’t disappear, all the conditioning and personality is exactly how it was and it really doesn’t feel any different. I have to continuously say to myself ‘there’s only thought’ and that brings me back to the place of seeing. There has also been an intense energy around wanting to be immersed in the non-dual knowledge to be able to let it sink in deeper somehow but realising too that that is more mind wanting it to be different or to make sense of the non-sense. What I am feeling is that the seeing/knowledge isn’t available unless I really sit and look deeply. Now, I am trying to make sense of how to continue working with my clients as I work using l.o.a and subconscious belief reprogramming but seeing that this is within the dream is both helpful and unhelpful. Tricky to navigate. I have to operate out of both spaces and my clients are non non-dual clients- meet them where they are whilst helping them improve their dream. Abe Hick’s teachings of alignment make sense. If anything, I think it’s all been over complicated from this new perspective. Just accept and love and give gratitude for what is, in the present now. However, it’s not enough because the mind is in lack and caught in survival and all of that takes monumental effort. Am not too convinced that I am quite ‘done’ - simply because it often feels the same as before. Again, could be more mind stuff comparing to a fake expectation I previously held. Perhaps the conditioning needs to fall away or change but for now I’m observing it all. I keep reminding myself to stay in this truth, to be strong about it. Appreciate any comments or observations . Much love Honest and refreshing stuff. Welcome back.
Yes, the mind tool will need to be reworked a bit to help it come to terms with its demotion. It can be an ornery and crafty lil bugga.
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Post by someNothing on Mar 3, 2021 12:22:41 GMT
If the blame arises, it arises. If it arises, it can fall away or you can continue to blame. If it arises and there's no one actually to blame, that seems kind of strange, doesn't it?
What group are you taking about? Is there a No Blame Group?
If Blame arises, then personal self-hood is still on the play, eh?
It doesn't even arise if you know there is no one to blame. You can't manage things at your conscious level, if you do, that would be another play. If it emerges out of nothing, then illusion hasn't been seen yet.
When blame, personal selves, etc arise, one is engaging (perhaps has even fallen into... if blame/anger are intensifying) the dreamplay. It's helpful to stay conscious to what one actually "knows" and allow for the fact that it can get weird in the transition to clarity. You're free to engage though, or not.
So, once an illusion is seen to be an illusion, what then?
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Post by someNothing on Mar 3, 2021 11:56:16 GMT
I suspect Donny has spent his whole life running away from the dark passenger he has feared and, having reached the degree of world power that he has, he is now going to run into himself. Could get interesting. Let's see what happens. Yes, I see what you mean, but appearances are often deceptive, and it's best - especially in times of such polarized, information warfare - to remain cognizant of our own biases. My bias has been that of an ultra-cynicism about anyone who seeks power. This led to a certain schadenfreude at the dust the Trump character kicked up in those circles. Yeah, I'm sure he did it all for the benefit of mankind.
I do reckon we share a similar degree of cynicism about the power game.
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Post by someNothing on Mar 3, 2021 11:52:10 GMT
He just played into the constituency that would accept him AND enable him to avoid his fear.
Sure, I liked the anti-war actions, but never liked the anti-everything and everybody else that didn't support his inner drama. That includes whoever doesn't suck up to him, environment, water, etc. All else was/is expendable.
Imo, he is much more divisive and much much more self-serving and preserving than peeps at this level of politics. To go down his rabbit hole with him would be to play into a world of hurt that would pave the way for an ever-increasing need/degree of power in the hands of one person. I have lived in countries run by dictators and recognize the writing on the wall when peeps start rationalizing martial law. He is scared, as are most bullies, but he uses flying monkeys to take on the dirty tasks and blame. I have experienced the nuances of extreme narcissism up close and also recognize the signs that he doesn't give a shit about anything or anyone else. That's why I voted AGAINST him, knowing that Biden would not be the answer either. In the next 4 years, I hope that there will be more investigative press, more peeps not just blindly siding with a party, more peeps holding peeps in power responsible, more peeps acting responsibly.... and less room for this bully-take-all attitude that is gaining prominence in society at the expense of basic decency. I recognize that power attracts the corruptible and that hard democratically ordained stances need to be taken at times to counter perceived wrongs (past, present, and future), so it's an interesting dilemma.
Well, as I've pointed out repeatedly the next-level narcissists have the magician's talent of making themselves appear otherwise, and the most common way to do this is to remain behind the scenes.
Case in point, this expectation that Trump would somehow use the military to remain in power. Are you aware that this meme actually started with W' (or, perhaps - memory fades - even with right-wing punditry about Bill Clinton), and that the right-wing media expressed the same concern about Obama? Now, of course, all of those predictions have since fallen down the Orwellian memory hole, and that's because they were nothing more than manipulative propaganda to begin with. It's possible to infer, in some cases, who the narcissistic, power-addicted sources of this illusion were, but more difficult than calling out Trump's character flaws, because their public profiles are less pronounced.
Trump was used, foremost, as a distraction, and all you have to do to see where this led is to read what the Europeans and Jimmy Carter have to say about mail-in voting. The corporatist media gaslighting you about Trump and the coalition of billionaires controlling it and forcing a single voice is a far more ghastly manifestation than Trump, and, why are you still interested in him? Aren't there actually multiple figures - some public, some private - who've actually held power continuously for decades now? And, how has that worked out for the U.S. as a society?
Yeah, I agree how there's a larger game than Trump being played, and that is where the real focus should be. Too bad he was just as preoccupied with winning and power as the powers that be, and loaded to the gills with his own baggage. Might have actually amounted to something. What we have now is just a good ole societal blood letting going on. Be interesting to see if more peeps take notice and own responsibility.
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Post by someNothing on Mar 2, 2021 17:59:32 GMT
What? I told him noticing the blame doesn't stop it, he says noticing the blame doesn't stop the blame,but knowing that no one is there to blame stops the blame. I find he is perfectly correct. And you say blame arises and falls away. So I thought of inviting you to join in my group, would you? If the blame arises, it arises. If it arises, it can fall away or you can continue to blame. If it arises and there's no one actually to blame, that seems kind of strange, doesn't it?
What group are you taking about? Is there a No Blame Group?
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Post by someNothing on Mar 2, 2021 17:06:37 GMT
Just notice when the dream of blaming dream characters begins/arises. It is a conditioned response, so the more you notice it, the less it is likely to affect the context. Being conscious of your blame doesn't stop the blame. What stops it is knowing that there is nobody to blame. Yes, keep going.
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Post by someNothing on Mar 2, 2021 15:39:16 GMT
What "others"?
What is your most sincere intention in these dream conversations? I asked you to join in my team since you too find the blame in others. See previous post.
Holding dream characters responsible is asking them to notice WIBIGO. It' not about blaming.
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Post by someNothing on Mar 2, 2021 15:34:13 GMT
Do you still see a problem in the reality you are creating? 😏 When I find 'blame' in others, I am dreaming of finding the blame of others. Inner creates the outer. Just notice when the dream of blaming dream characters begins/arises. It is a conditioned response, so the more you notice it, the less it is likely to affect the context.
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Post by someNothing on Mar 2, 2021 12:03:12 GMT
How do you guys reconcile all of this with SR? Having spent months researching and going in and out rabbit holes, with this new recognition of svp my interest has waned. Seeing that it all just ‘is’- perfectly perfect. ‘I’ still don’t like it but am no longer frustrated or feeling powerlessness about it. Even the mandated vaccines, I don’t want it at all but am kind of in a ‘let’s see what happens’ place now. Feels somewhat lighter. More compassion towards those that are on the other side of this yet realising that there is ‘no other side’. Yes, perfectly so, and let's see what happens. The drama moves in/as Consciousness, and it feels much lighter not being born.
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Post by someNothing on Mar 2, 2021 11:50:01 GMT
Mind is conditioned, so yeah, stuff like blame will continue to arise and you won't magically forget everything that has happened and/or not have feelings play out. Beliefs will continue to play out on the screen. Doesn't make them true. But, you can join the dualistic dream drama, if desired, still knowing it is not truth and KNOWING Truth as it is. That's what I asked you to come and join in my team. Enigma says blame wouldn't arise If you know others are not responsible for what they are doing. What "others"?
What is your most sincere intention in these dream conversations?
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