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Post by Figgles on Mar 9, 2018 16:25:20 GMT
It's pretty funny 'cause if anyone is the king of radical spiritual definitions....(re-definitions!) it's Andrew. You've done pretty well with the whole 'Switzerland' bit to date........the end is not yet written. BTW, Reefs and Andy seem to be getting along swimmingly. And the thot plickens. Yes.
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Post by Figgles on Mar 11, 2018 20:41:54 GMT
Well said. As I speak off forum to folks who read but don't post both on ST and here, it becomes more clear than ever that Enigma is a huge draw ....folks might get pissed off with what he says at times, but even then, they cannot deny the unmistakable 'scent' of Truth behind his words and it's that that keeps them coming back for more, and seeking out specifically what E has to say. Reef's banning him would only illuminate just how poorly Reef's deals with having one whom he has come to respect, disagree with him. When I step back and look at the fact that there has to be two forums, that we can't all share, compare and when it happens, argue together, without needing to create remedies that involve permanent banishments, just seems so silly. Really, What good is spirituality at all if you don't become more tolerant, more able to make peace with what is, more able to see the inherent gifts even in those things that on the surface of things, might be quite far from your idea of the perfect ideal. When you look at how long the group of us from ST, and now here, has been conversing about this stuff, and still at times so passionate about it all, it's actually pretty amazing...and even those of you who piss me off at times, I have to say, I am able to see in such a fond light for the fact that we share this passion.....think about it...in your entire lifetime, how many folks have you crossed paths with who would be interested in having these kinds of conversations?? That it's been ongoing this long, and we're all still so interested is actually very cool. Chill out.
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Post by Enigma on Mar 12, 2018 0:14:52 GMT
Well said. As I speak off forum to folks who read but don't post both on ST and here, it becomes more clear than ever that Enigma is a huge draw ....folks might get pissed off with what he says at times, but even then, they cannot deny the unmistakable 'scent' of Truth behind his words and it's that that keeps them coming back for more, and seeking out specifically what E has to say. Reef's banning him would only illuminate just how poorly Reef's deals with having one whom he has come to respect, disagree with him. When I step back and look at the fact that there has to be two forums, that we can't all share, compare and when it happens, argue together, without needing to create remedies that involve permanent banishments, just seems so silly. Really, What good is spirituality at all if you don't become more tolerant, more able to make peace with what is, more able to see the inherent gifts even in those things that on the surface of things, might be quite far from your idea of the perfect ideal. When you look at how long the group of us from ST, and now here, has been conversing about this stuff, and still at times so passionate about it all, it's actually pretty amazing...and even those of you who piss me off at times, I have to say, I am able to see in such a fond light for the fact that we share this passion.....think about it...in your entire lifetime, how many folks have you crossed paths with who would be interested in having these kinds of conversations?? That it's been ongoing this long, and we're all still so interested is actually very cool. Chill out. Good advice.
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Post by Figgles on Mar 12, 2018 1:20:25 GMT
Well said. As I speak off forum to folks who read but don't post both on ST and here, it becomes more clear than ever that Enigma is a huge draw ....folks might get pissed off with what he says at times, but even then, they cannot deny the unmistakable 'scent' of Truth behind his words and it's that that keeps them coming back for more, and seeking out specifically what E has to say. Reef's banning him would only illuminate just how poorly Reef's deals with having one whom he has come to respect, disagree with him. When I step back and look at the fact that there has to be two forums, that we can't all share, compare and when it happens, argue together, without needing to create remedies that involve permanent banishments, just seems so silly. Really, What good is spirituality at all if you don't become more tolerant, more able to make peace with what is, more able to see the inherent gifts even in those things that on the surface of things, might be quite far from your idea of the perfect ideal.
When you look at how long the group of us from ST, and now here, has been conversing about this stuff, and still at times so passionate about it all, it's actually pretty amazing...and even those of you who piss me off at times, I have to say, I am able to see in such a fond light for the fact that we share this passion.....think about it...in your entire lifetime, how many folks have you crossed paths with who would be interested in having these kinds of conversations?? That it's been ongoing this long, and we're all still so interested is actually very cool. Chill out. I spent some time this afternoon going through some of the exchanges here since being back. I stumbled upon Andrew's two day tirade here with me. With the opportunity to look back on it I was more than tolerant of it as it unfolded. Then I ran across the exchange where I mentioned how he and I had reached a fork in the road, and all the debris from him that came forth as a result. Facebook banning? Really? Andrew is going to have to fuck off for a very long time. Forks can be be very fortuitous happenings. That's very honest. I have come to deeply appreciate and value honesty over false niceties. Will leave it at that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 10:16:53 GMT
Well said. As I speak off forum to folks who read but don't post both on ST and here, it becomes more clear than ever that Enigma is a huge draw ....folks might get pissed off with what he says at times, but even then, they cannot deny the unmistakable 'scent' of Truth behind his words and it's that that keeps them coming back for more, and seeking out specifically what E has to say. Reef's banning him would only illuminate just how poorly Reef's deals with having one whom he has come to respect, disagree with him. When I step back and look at the fact that there has to be two forums, that we can't all share, compare and when it happens, argue together, without needing to create remedies that involve permanent banishments, just seems so silly. Really, What good is spirituality at all if you don't become more tolerant, more able to make peace with what is, more able to see the inherent gifts even in those things that on the surface of things, might be quite far from your idea of the perfect ideal. When you look at how long the group of us from ST, and now here, has been conversing about this stuff, and still at times so passionate about it all, it's actually pretty amazing...and even those of you who piss me off at times, I have to say, I am able to see in such a fond light for the fact that we share this passion.....think about it...in your entire lifetime, how many folks have you crossed paths with who would be interested in having these kinds of conversations?? That it's been ongoing this long, and we're all still so interested is actually very cool. Chill out. Laffy is actually scared, Laffy doesn't want to see Enigma get banned because he is the only reason for some argument keeps moving so he is coming upfront to inform not to do such a nasty act ! But Reefs replied Laffy to shut his mouth(I think you should calm down)! So Laffy left with no power against Reefs puts a smiley face! Peter has already become completely powerless person now! Peter is dummy now, so he can't do anything, so laffy's heart is pounding faster and faster for what's going to happen. The problem here is, Enigma's lovers Andrew and Tenka would move wherever Enigma comes, So who is left over there for argument? To whom can ZD teach? So argument would ultimately stop. I see no problem with what Enigma has written, he is very polite even when Reefs goes high, Enigma wanted to leave the argument many time but Reefs is the one who is not leaving him. He did not even want to enter into this thread 'Consciousness and the nature of appearances', but Reefs unnecessarily pulled him, and when he explains what he believes, Reefs as usual when argument goes against him, he started to threaten Enigma and started saying to others that Enigma is walking directly into ban, after reading this, Laughter is worrying about the life time of ST. When he banned us, most of the argument is not happening there, now Enigma is the other source of argument, If he is banned, then ST should be closed ultimately or now and then some people might pop up and ZD may start to teach them 'personal self-hood is illusion' but apart from them, there would be no argument.
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Post by Figgles on Mar 12, 2018 15:36:55 GMT
Well said. As I speak off forum to folks who read but don't post both on ST and here, it becomes more clear than ever that Enigma is a huge draw ....folks might get pissed off with what he says at times, but even then, they cannot deny the unmistakable 'scent' of Truth behind his words and it's that that keeps them coming back for more, and seeking out specifically what E has to say. Reef's banning him would only illuminate just how poorly Reef's deals with having one whom he has come to respect, disagree with him. When I step back and look at the fact that there has to be two forums, that we can't all share, compare and when it happens, argue together, without needing to create remedies that involve permanent banishments, just seems so silly. Really, What good is spirituality at all if you don't become more tolerant, more able to make peace with what is, more able to see the inherent gifts even in those things that on the surface of things, might be quite far from your idea of the perfect ideal. When you look at how long the group of us from ST, and now here, has been conversing about this stuff, and still at times so passionate about it all, it's actually pretty amazing...and even those of you who piss me off at times, I have to say, I am able to see in such a fond light for the fact that we share this passion.....think about it...in your entire lifetime, how many folks have you crossed paths with who would be interested in having these kinds of conversations?? That it's been ongoing this long, and we're all still so interested is actually very cool. Chill out. Laffy is actually scared, Laffy doesn't want to see Enigma get banned because he is the only reason for some argument keeps moving so he is coming upfront to inform not to do such a nasty act ! But Reefs replied Laffy to shut his mouth(I think you should calm down)! So Laffy left with no power against Reefs puts a smiley face! Peter has already become completely powerless person now! Peter is dummy now, so he can't do anything, so laffy's heart is pounding faster and faster for what's going to happen. The problem here is, Enigma's lovers Andrew and Tenka would move wherever Enigma comes, So who is left over there for argument? To whom can ZD teach? So argument would ultimately stop. I see no problem with what Enigma has written, he is very polite even when Reefs goes high, Enigma wanted to leave the argument many time but Reefs is the one who is not leaving him. He did not even want to enter into this thread 'Consciousness and the nature of appearances', but Reefs unnecessarily pulled him, and when he explains what he believes, Reefs as usual when argument goes against him, he started to threaten Enigma and started saying to others that Enigma is walking directly into ban, after reading this, Laughter is worrying about the life time of ST. When he banned us, most of the argument is not happening there, now Enigma is the other source of argument, If he is banned, then ST should be closed ultimately or now and then some people might pop up and ZD may start to teach them 'personal self-hood is illusion' but apart from them, there would be no argument. That's a very good summation Gopal. Reef's is absolutely unreasonable. As I've said many times, I think he would actually choose to ruin the forum for good just to spite his 'enemies.' And really, E is NOT his enemy, but Reef's intolerance turns anyone who dares to disagree with him, into one...almost instantly. He doesn't even wait for things to get heated....it's like, "what??? You disagree with me??? You're now at the top of my shit-list mister/missus"!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 17:56:06 GMT
Laffy is actually scared, Laffy doesn't want to see Enigma get banned because he is the only reason for some argument keeps moving so he is coming upfront to inform not to do such a nasty act ! But Reefs replied Laffy to shut his mouth(I think you should calm down)! So Laffy left with no power against Reefs puts a smiley face! Peter has already become completely powerless person now! Peter is dummy now, so he can't do anything, so laffy's heart is pounding faster and faster for what's going to happen. The problem here is, Enigma's lovers Andrew and Tenka would move wherever Enigma comes, So who is left over there for argument? To whom can ZD teach? So argument would ultimately stop. I see no problem with what Enigma has written, he is very polite even when Reefs goes high, Enigma wanted to leave the argument many time but Reefs is the one who is not leaving him. He did not even want to enter into this thread 'Consciousness and the nature of appearances', but Reefs unnecessarily pulled him, and when he explains what he believes, Reefs as usual when argument goes against him, he started to threaten Enigma and started saying to others that Enigma is walking directly into ban, after reading this, Laughter is worrying about the life time of ST. When he banned us, most of the argument is not happening there, now Enigma is the other source of argument, If he is banned, then ST should be closed ultimately or now and then some people might pop up and ZD may start to teach them 'personal self-hood is illusion' but apart from them, there would be no argument. That's a very good summation Gopal. Reef's is absolutely unreasonable. As I've said many times, I think he would actually choose to ruin the forum for good just to spite his 'enemies.' And really, E is NOT his enemy, but Reef's intolerance turns anyone who dares to disagree with him, into one...almost instantly. He doesn't even wait for things to get heated....it's like, "what??? You disagree with me??? You're now at the top of my shit-list mister/missus"! Exactly!
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Post by Enigma on Mar 12, 2018 23:01:59 GMT
I use Intelligence to talk about Awareness/Consciousness because it's more difficult to objectify and personalize. It's not meant to refer to a quality that something has. The distinction is between Intelligence and intelligent. Intelligent is how Intelligence expresses in form, just as Aware is how Awareness expresses and conscious is how Consciousness expresses. There is no transcendent aware, conscious intelligent being.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 13:16:24 GMT
I use Intelligence to talk about Awareness/Consciousness because it's more difficult to objectify and personalize. It's not meant to refer to a quality that something has. The distinction is between Intelligence and intelligent. Intelligent is how Intelligence expresses in form, just as Aware is how Awareness expresses and conscious is how Consciousness expresses. There is no transcendent aware, conscious intelligent being. You agreed with me that Awareness is 'nothing', If so, awareness doesn't exist, only 'being aware' exist,right?
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Post by Enigma on Mar 14, 2018 0:28:04 GMT
I use Intelligence to talk about Awareness/Consciousness because it's more difficult to objectify and personalize. It's not meant to refer to a quality that something has. The distinction is between Intelligence and intelligent. Intelligent is how Intelligence expresses in form, just as Aware is how Awareness expresses and conscious is how Consciousness expresses. There is no transcendent aware, conscious intelligent being. You agreed with me that Awareness is 'nothing', If so, awareness doesn't exist, only 'being aware' exist,right? Being, perhaps. (as a verb)
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