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Post by Figgles on Jan 12, 2020 16:39:25 GMT
Really well said Satchi.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 17:00:54 GMT
I know you would never resort to such tactics because you are completely open. You know I like messing with you 😊 but as far as I'm concerned there is respect on both sides 🙏 and no desire from either of us to operate any kind of censorship whatever form that might take whether it's overt or implied.
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Post by Figgles on Jan 12, 2020 17:08:39 GMT
I know you would never resort to such tactics because you are completely open. You know I like messing with you 😊 but as far as I'm concerned there is respect on both sides 🙏 and no desire from either of us to operate any kind of censorship whatever form that might take whether it's overt or implied.Yes.
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Post by Enigma on Jan 12, 2020 23:52:55 GMT
As long as you remember your place as student to the master.
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Post by Figgles on Jan 13, 2020 1:24:24 GMT
As long as you remember your place as student to the master. Oh yes!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 4:23:12 GMT
As long as you remember your place as student to the master. That goes without saying. 😏
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 8:54:20 GMT
Laughter is saying that the only sane option involved when two parties reach an impasse is to agree to disagree, and if one party doesn't want to do that, then the only other option is to walk away. I know fundamentalist Christians who think that the world is 4000 years old. There's no point in telling them about fossil evidence that's been isotope dated to millions of years because they're not open to the possibility that that might be something worth considering. All one can do is leave the subject behind and agree to disagree because no factual evidence of any kind will ever be considered, much less alter the belief that they're attached to. The topic is closed to discussion because there's zero open mindedness. I wouldn't suggest that a fundamentalist Christian change his belief; I would see that any conversation about the age of the earth is pointless. The same topics are being discussed here over and over again for years. If everyone took the attitude that if they have discussed a topic before with someone and there was disagreement then the shutters should come down and a sign put on the door saying "Let's Agree to Disagree" there would be no discussion whatsoever on the forum. Why doesn't everyone stop discussing this long-running topic with tenka and just say they agree to disagree, but they don't. They keep coming back for more just like you do with your topics of discussion which I've heard a million times on this forum. I've never once said to you let's just agree to disagree but I've noticed you've also said what laughter has said sometimes. You say let's just forget it or let's not discuss it anymore. I'm sorry it doesn't work like that. You and laughter should grow up and realize that if you want to be in a discussion forum, then all discussion and challenges are fair game. The moment you start censuring people to halt and just agree to disagree, then it's game over. And if you shut down a discussion because there's no open-mindedness, well that's just a matter of opinion from both sides isn't it? Who's to say that you're not the one who's not open minded? The funny thing is, laughter made this remark about a topic I've never discussed with him before 😀. Stopping the discussion is not as easy as you say! Discussion happens for many reasons, one of the main reason is, when you start to prove something is right within yourself, discussion is surely the result as an outward expression. In this discussion what you believe to be right never can be proved to the other party because other party and their belief system is mere projection of yourself, you are actually fighting with yourself. This wrestle with other party never comes to an end until we see the truth. That's not possible all the time. It's the case for me now.
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Post by Figgles on Jan 13, 2020 17:31:28 GMT
The same topics are being discussed here over and over again for years. If everyone took the attitude that if they have discussed a topic before with someone and there was disagreement then the shutters should come down and a sign put on the door saying "Let's Agree to Disagree" there would be no discussion whatsoever on the forum. Why doesn't everyone stop discussing this long-running topic with tenka and just say they agree to disagree, but they don't. They keep coming back for more just like you do with your topics of discussion which I've heard a million times on this forum. I've never once said to you let's just agree to disagree but I've noticed you've also said what laughter has said sometimes. You say let's just forget it or let's not discuss it anymore. I'm sorry it doesn't work like that. You and laughter should grow up and realize that if you want to be in a discussion forum, then all discussion and challenges are fair game. The moment you start censuring people to halt and just agree to disagree, then it's game over. And if you shut down a discussion because there's no open-mindedness, well that's just a matter of opinion from both sides isn't it? Who's to say that you're not the one who's not open minded? The funny thing is, laughter made this remark about a topic I've never discussed with him before 😀. Stopping the discussion is not as easy as you say! Discussion happens for many reasons, one of the main reason is, when you start to prove something is right within yourself, discussion is surely the result as an outward expression. In this discussion what you believe to be right never can be proved to the other party because other party and their belief system is mere projection of yourself, you are actually fighting with yourself. This wrestle with other party never comes to an end until we see the truth. That's not possible all the time. It's the case for me now. Even in seeing that, the 'wrestle' between viewpoints can still continue. Wrestling, so long as you don't become lost to it, can be kinda fun though, right? I for one don't come to these forums intent or in full expectation of changing the viewpoint of the apparent other. I can see though if that was your intent/expectation, the experience of arguing would be an entirely different thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 4:18:07 GMT
Stopping the discussion is not as easy as you say! Discussion happens for many reasons, one of the main reason is, when you start to prove something is right within yourself, discussion is surely the result as an outward expression. In this discussion what you believe to be right never can be proved to the other party because other party and their belief system is mere projection of yourself, you are actually fighting with yourself. This wrestle with other party never comes to an end until we see the truth. That's not possible all the time. It's the case for me now. Even in seeing that, the 'wrestle' between viewpoints can still continue. Wrestling, so long as you don't become lost to it, can be kinda fun though, right? That's not my reality. When we try to change the view point of others, we are going against the flow or not understanding the universal unfolding from the higher level. But it's okay if it is sort of enjoyment for you. I write here because I enjoy sometimes. Now there is no intent arises in me to change others.
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Post by Figgles on Jan 14, 2020 5:37:58 GMT
Even in seeing that, the 'wrestle' between viewpoints can still continue. Wrestling, so long as you don't become lost to it, can be kinda fun though, right? That's not my reality. When we try to change the view point of others, we are going against the flow or not understanding the universal unfolding from the higher level. But it's okay if it is sort of enjoyment for you. I write here because I enjoy sometimes. Now there is no intent arises in me to change others. Even IF your intent was to try to offer information to someone for the purpose of perhaps changing their mind, that does not necessarily indicate 'resistance' to them having a different opinion than you. I think you are conflating all intent towards change of conditions with resistance to what is, and that's not always the case. One can be in fundamental acceptance/allowance of current conditions and still act towards change.
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