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Post by Figgles on Jul 24, 2022 17:49:59 GMT
Despite some erroneous mixing up of the two...there really is a very stark and quite easily explained difference between them;
The most obvious; Solipsism posits an existent, appearing "me/I, an experiencing/perceiving entity, whereas, Nonduality, does not.
In nonduality, the appearing me is relative...appearance only, just as the appearing you is also relative...appearance only.
Nonduality reveals that the "experiencer/doer," never actually was!
The idea that there is some kind of realization that reveals that the appearing other is for absolute certain, experiencing, perceiving, is akin to suggesting that somehow there can be more than one, singular experience known in a given, singular NOW moment. While there are indeed accounts of drug/CC/Kensho induced experiences, where the boundaries between objects dissolve, even then, that "Mystical experience," is still "singular," and there's not an actual multitude of discrete experiences, all happening simultaneously.
Rupert Spira describes this "singularity" regarding "experience," in the video below:
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Post by Figgles on Jul 24, 2022 17:51:11 GMT
Another good one...
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Post by Figgles on Jul 24, 2022 17:57:00 GMT
Also important to note, that in Nonduality, the absence of absolute knowing about appearance does not equal the presence of doubt...wondering....uncertainty. When the entirety of the dream-content is seen as such, there's just no longer any seeking in play to 'know something more' beyond face value appearance. Thus, the knowing of multiple experiences.....different viewpoints, is always on ever a relative knowing. And that's A-okay. There is no need to know more. The appearance itself is more than enough to warrant engagement and to garner interest. The very idea that there must be an absolute, certain knowing regarding the appearance of multiple experiences, multiple view-points is very silly. That's like saying the entire world/universe/cosmos must be known for absolute certain to have inherent, fundamental existence, or I'm just gonna refuse to engage with any of it! Imagine!
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Post by Figgles on Jul 24, 2022 18:03:37 GMT
The belief Gopal refers to = "relative understanding/knowledge." He's engaging the appearance of others as experiencing, at face value. The realization that there is no-thing TO know...nothing further than can be known regarding that appearance does not equal the presence of doubt or undertainty being carted around as an idea, as experience unfolds.
Part and parcel of the relative 'story,' is a me character and other 'you' characters. It's all appearance only...relative knowing...relative understanding only, therefore applies. The very idea of 'absolute/certain knowing,' about anything appearing in the relative, involves a misconception.
That's why it is said that ultimately, the very question of "other perceivers," is misconceived. SR reveals there are NO actual perceiving entities...not even a 'me/I' perceiving entity!
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Post by Figgles on Jul 25, 2022 23:10:35 GMT
Yes.
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Post by Figgles on Jul 26, 2022 22:51:36 GMT
Perfect explanation of Nonduality--and of course, within that, speaks to the inherent absence of existence of all appearance:
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Post by Figgles on Jul 26, 2022 23:39:13 GMT
The assertion that there is some kind of realization whereby you realize that each and every appearing "form" IS giving rise to awareness/consciousness is what Spira references here at the "materialist's viewpoint"....he calls it "madness,"....and he's right!
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