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Post by Figgles on Aug 7, 2022 21:20:38 GMT
Right, which means the asserted absolute, certain knowing that people, shoes, socks, rocks are all "specifically" perceiving/experiencing/alive is a nonsense.
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Post by Figgles on Aug 7, 2022 21:29:31 GMT
Just God/Godding, eh? ZD's denial is bullshit. What he's lacking interest in, is in having his views on the matter challenged. But he's clearly still interested in adding his two cents to the argument, stating his viewpoint, (over and and over and over, word for redundant word) in rebuttal to the opposing viewpoint. He simply refuses to engage directly, post to post. You have a similar thing going on. You refuse to directly engage when directly challenged...but continue to sneak your two cents into the discussion. You both ARE still clearly quite interested in the discussion, you're just being disingenuous about it. -- I can certainly relate to that, but as far as I'm conscious of, that particular stubborn streak here is limited to relative and Earthly topics these days. At least gopal used to disclaim that he'd realized the truth and was done seeking. [/quote] Seriously? Engaging in civil debate now = "attachment to being right"? Notice how you are the one here who is now making things personal? You are going beyond direct address of post content....of described point of view and you are getting into accusations related to personal character.
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Post by Figgles on Aug 7, 2022 21:33:23 GMT
You've got it backwards. It's the erroneous belief that there is some-thing TO be known...thus "knowing" (not the absence of knowing, therefore) that is the basis of deep bunny hole trips.
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Post by Figgles on Aug 7, 2022 21:40:49 GMT
The bond/sense of caring between a folks and a fur baby, is itself an appearance....experiential content. And yes, even that is an expression arising empty within/to the abiding ground of awareness. Empty appearance only.
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Post by Figgles on Aug 7, 2022 21:42:02 GMT
Intuition is still the realm of the dream....appearance only. It 'seems to be' transcendent, but it's not. SVP's can be very psychic apparently.
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Post by Figgles on Aug 7, 2022 23:14:59 GMT
A ‘Reversible’ Form of Death? Scientists Revive Cells in Dead Pigs’ Organs.Researchers who previously revived some brain cells in dead pigs succeeded in repeating the process in more organs. archive.ph/Cyl1R#selection-309.0-313.115So for those of you who insist there is a realization whereby it can be known for absolute certain that it is "Truth" that appearing people, and even apparently inanimate objects are individually experiencing/perceiving....I'd love to hear your opinions on the pigs whose organs get 'brought back to life.' You say all objects/things are conscious, experiencing/perceiving....but surely the perception/experience of an apparent dead pig is different than the perception of an apparently alive pig...? What exactly is that difference? And if cells of organs are supposedly brought back to life and blood again starts circulating through an otherwise dead body, what does that mean in terms of the pigs perception/experience? You see this really demonstrates the fallacy of this supposed realization of "true nature," that then has one knowing with absolute certainty that each appearing thing/form, be it apparently animate or inanimate, individually, perceives/experiences. Is it the pig/person as a whole that is having it's own experience?....is each organ experiencing....each cell?...atoms...? At what point of 'form' does individualized experience/perception break down/cease...does it..? Is there some-thing that still appears beyond that break-down that can be said to be having a limited/bounded experience/perception? The assertion that's been argued for, for years now, that each individuated appearing things can be known via realization to be an experiencing/perceiving entity, is of course a nonsense, and the points I make with my questions above there, reveal that. Ultimately, consciousness is not and never was "bounded/limited," to an appearing thing/form. A facet of the overall story/dream is singular, distinct, locus' of seeing....each apparent living form seems to have it's 'own' consciousness....but, upon taking a deeper and transcendent of mind look, that idea crumbles....consciousness is not actually divided into discrete and limited 'things.'
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Post by Figgles on Aug 8, 2022 20:06:58 GMT
Yes, this is what's so crazy about the mistake of imagined separation. it's crystal clear here and now...the seeing of that which abides and never changes...never DIES!...is available imminently...presently. It's not some 'off in the future' pie in the sky event. And the seeing that what I actually AM is not a something that is limited, changing, bounded, will ultimately die means also seeing that which appears as limited/bounded...coming going...eventually dying, is all absent inherent substance (it's own true nature) should be met with awe....joy...and yet, it's just not enough...for the awe to arise, there must be a Ken Show that reveals all temporal/changing things to be infused with "alive/vibrancy" juice...and then and only then can the appearing world and all it's things be celebrated and loved.
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Post by Figgles on Aug 8, 2022 20:11:19 GMT
ahem.... You're nit-picking at this point dude. The basis of two camps are very clear; One says perceivables have inherent nature/existence in their own right, the other says perceivables arise empty of their own inherent nature, arise dependent upon the abiding ground.
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Post by Figgles on Aug 8, 2022 20:17:29 GMT
Those are just words though (a pointer) and when taken conceptually, mistakingly for something they are not, then to say a cat/tree is the Self becomes the equivalent of infusing an experienced cat/tree with all sorts of 'mystical qualities and properties,'....this is why it's important to see that true "realization" is always a subtraction that leaves an absence where there once the presence of erroneous knowing. If your supposed realization adds a concept, and you are calling that concept itself "the Truth," then you're barking up the wrong tree. (Never mind that that tree is filled with vitality and aliveness is whispering sweet nothings in our ears... )
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Post by Figgles on Aug 8, 2022 20:27:32 GMT
Yes...am loving your dharma battle style dude.....you are swiping away the dull and heavy swords of delusion with a toothpick, doing it with flourish and light skip in your step. Nice.
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