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Post by Gopal on Jan 1, 2022 4:40:42 GMT
You really don't know the difference? I know the difference between the idea of an objective world vs. 'the known/experienced world.' My point is, there is no 'actual' knowing/direct experience of two-worlds/multiple worlds, only one. A world that somehow exists beyond immediate perception/appearance of a world, is an assumption/surmising only. If Self has been realized, any question of such an objective world's existence, is seen to be misconceived....based upon the delusion/illusion of separation. The way you are speaking, you seem to be suggesting there is "actually" a world that exists beyond perception of 'the world.' Perhaps I'm misinterpreting your words...? We assume other individuals exist in these kind of conversation, are you not? If so, sum of all the individual perception change is the change of whole world. Change of my perception and related people of mine = change of my world.
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Post by Gopal on Jan 1, 2022 4:42:18 GMT
I know the difference between the idea of an objective world vs. 'the known/experienced world.' My point is, there is no 'actual' knowing/direct experience of two-worlds/multiple worlds, only one. A world that somehow exists beyond immediate perception/appearance of a world, is an assumption/surmising only. If Self has been realized, any question of such an objective world's existence, is seen to be misconceived....based upon the delusion/illusion of separation. The way you are speaking, you seem to be suggesting there is "actually" a world that exists beyond perception of 'the world.' Perhaps I'm misinterpreting your words...? There is experience of world. That cannot be denied. It doesn't matter if you call this experience apparent or misconceived. It is still what it is. Saying that it is apparent or misconceived changes nothing about the experience itself. The experience will not become modified by any particular understanding or labelling of the experience. This is merely philosophy. If there is nothing that is not the Self then world is also Self. If the Self is the only reality then the world is real also. Anything that is experienced is the reality. There is no such thing as illusion. Everything is consciousness whether unmanifest or manifest. Welcome Back Satch! Happy New Year!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2022 4:50:20 GMT
Welcome Back Satch! Happy New Year! thanks Gopal. A Happy New Year to you too.
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Post by ghostofmuttley on Jan 1, 2022 5:41:11 GMT
Happy New Year to you and your family Raj. I wish this year, you will have a rollercoaster realization! Happy New Year Bill! 'k I'll go to sixty flagstaff or whatever and be sure to take pics.
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Post by ghostofmuttley on Jan 1, 2022 5:43:33 GMT
There's no way I'm going to go back and troll (oops Fraudian typo) I mean trawl through the archive to see what's been discussed. Somehow I suspect the same topics come up again and again. Figs and spongy got red pilled, E' got black pilled, but this inexplicably led him into some genuinely profound poetry on the matter. Farmer is full-on mask nazi and Gopal is clearly suffering from the brain fog of vax injury which can be discerned by what he posts. Hard to tell with andy, I mean .. that guy, yanno'?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2022 6:00:11 GMT
There's no way I'm going to go back and troll (oops Fraudian typo) I mean trawl through the archive to see what's been discussed. Somehow I suspect the same topics come up again and again. Figs and spongy got red pilled, E' got black pilled, but this inexplicably led him into some genuinely profound poetry on the matter. Farmer is full-on mask nazi and Gopal is clearly suffering from the brain fog of vax injury which can be discerned by what he posts. Hard to tell with andy, I mean .. that guy, yanno'? That was a highly compressed zip file summary of what's been happening. Deeply regretting having spelt Freudian incorrectly so as to result in a double typo frauline slip.
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Post by Esponja on Jan 1, 2022 6:10:39 GMT
Figs and spongy got red pilled, E' got black pilled, but this inexplicably led him into some genuinely profound poetry on the matter. Farmer is full-on mask nazi and Gopal is clearly suffering from the brain fog of vax injury which can be discerned by what he posts. Hard to tell with andy, I mean .. that guy, yanno'? That was a highly compressed zip file summary of what's been happening. Deeply regretting having spelt Freudian incorrectly so as to result in a double typo frauline slip. Where you at?
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Post by Esponja on Jan 1, 2022 6:10:55 GMT
Figs and spongy got red pilled, E' got black pilled, but this inexplicably led him into some genuinely profound poetry on the matter. Farmer is full-on mask nazi and Gopal is clearly suffering from the brain fog of vax injury which can be discerned by what he posts. Hard to tell with andy, I mean .. that guy, yanno'? That was a highly compressed zip file summary of what's been happening. Deeply regretting having spelt Freudian incorrectly so as to result in a double typo frauline slip. Funny!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2022 6:12:37 GMT
That was a highly compressed zip file summary of what's been happening. Deeply regretting having spelt Freudian incorrectly so as to result in a double typo frauline slip. Where you at? I'm at here where I've always been!
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Post by Gopal on Jan 1, 2022 6:28:27 GMT
There's no way I'm going to go back and troll (oops Fraudian typo) I mean trawl through the archive to see what's been discussed. Somehow I suspect the same topics come up again and again. Figs and spongy got red pilled, E' got black pilled, but this inexplicably led him into some genuinely profound poetry on the matter. Farmer is full-on mask nazi and Gopal is clearly suffering from the brain fog of vax injury which can be discerned by what he posts. Hard to tell with andy, I mean .. that guy, yanno'? I am so sorry that I triggered your inner wolf on the day of new year!
But it's okay, You were asking me in ST whether I can imagine the possibility of there is no rollercoaster. Can you answer me why you think there is no rollercoaster. I know you have written in ST like this because ZD doesn't support rollercoaster, but here Enigma, figgles everybody supports rollercoaster, don't know what you write here.
The one who has the human experience can't avoid roller-coaster experience, it moves up and down automatically! Unhappy experience follows the happy experience and happy experience brings the unhappy experience. lolz descriptions of meditation are quite poetic, insightful, and reveal a depth of experience that is certainly far beyond mine. But, he seems to me to make the implicit assumption that everyone who sits and simply attends the present as it is will eventually become uncomfortable. Can you imagine the possibility that there might be people for whom this simply isn't true? And then as you expected ZD starts to appreciate you here
lolz descriptions of meditation are quite poetic, insightful, and reveal a depth of experience that is certainly far beyond mine. But, he seems to me to make the implicit assumption that everyone who sits and simply attends the present as it is will eventually become uncomfortable. Can you imagine the possibility that there might be people for whom this simply isn't true? Yes. It appears that there's no reference for what's being pointed to. A roller coaster realization, alone, just doesn't go far enough. One of these days it might be realized that what imagines a roller coaster is, Itself, beyond imagining.
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