Esponja
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Post by Esponja on Mar 18, 2021 9:44:23 GMT
All the talk of pain body. Seems to keep you trapped in Maya. There is no pain body. You are born again in each moment..NOW.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 9:58:15 GMT
It doesn't matter if Tolle is awake, it only matters if you are.
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Post by Esponja on Mar 18, 2021 11:33:57 GMT
It doesn't matter if Tolle is awake, it only matters if you are. |
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Post by Esponja on Mar 18, 2021 11:34:32 GMT
See if you get what I’m getting at with my ‘no words post’
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 11:42:24 GMT
It doesn't matter if Tolle is awake, it only matters if you are. Ooh, a Ramana-esque silent teaching!  Great, now do the verbal one for those who didn't understand  |
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Post by muttley on Mar 19, 2021 1:58:55 GMT
All the talk of pain body. Seems to keep you trapped in Maya. There is no pain body. You are born again in each moment..NOW. His work strikes me as rather layered. It reads one way if someone is ripe for the existential truth, and yet another way for someone deeply unconscious and lost in the trance. And, it's quite possible that those can be one and the same.
One experience I had was recalling what he wrote as sort of equivocal, namby-pamby about the illusory SVP, because he never calls that out for what it is. But then, on a revisit, it seemed to me that he can, at other times, abandon all compromise on the topic. Maybe I'll dust off a copy and come up with an example.  |
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Post by Esponja on Mar 19, 2021 5:29:15 GMT
All the talk of pain body. Seems to keep you trapped in Maya. There is no pain body. You are born again in each moment..NOW. His work strikes me as rather layered. It reads one way if someone is ripe for the existential truth, and yet another way for someone deeply unconscious and lost in the trance. And, it's quite possible that those can be one and the same.
One experience I had was recalling what he wrote as sort of equivocal, namby-pamby about the illusory SVP, because he never calls that out for what it is. But then, on a revisit, it seemed to me that he can, at other times, abandon all compromise on the topic. Maybe I'll dust off a copy and come up with an example. Yes and I suppose if you need to go onto Oprah you can’t go too woowoo so it actually is pretty clever from that perspective! |
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Post by muttley on Mar 19, 2021 6:04:35 GMT
His work strikes me as rather layered. It reads one way if someone is ripe for the existential truth, and yet another way for someone deeply unconscious and lost in the trance. And, it's quite possible that those can be one and the same.
One experience I had was recalling what he wrote as sort of equivocal, namby-pamby about the illusory SVP, because he never calls that out for what it is. But then, on a revisit, it seemed to me that he can, at other times, abandon all compromise on the topic. Maybe I'll dust off a copy and come up with an example. Yes and I suppose if you need to go onto Oprah you can’t go too woowoo so it actually is pretty clever from that perspective! I recall buying Now at a Barnes&Noble. The clerk was rather contemptuous and said something like "yes, here are 'New Earth', Wayne Dyer and Chopra etc." Didn't think anything of it at the time. Didn't even know about the Oprah connection until months and months later. I'd found him by googling the phrase "I stopped listening to the voice in my head" -- which is .. another story. Him, Niz, Adya, Maharshi, Spira, etc (even Mckenna) ... their pointing is all different, all unique, but it's soooooo obvious they're all pointing .. the "same". |
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Post by Andrew on Mar 19, 2021 23:15:38 GMT
Yes and I suppose if you need to go onto Oprah you can’t go too woowoo so it actually is pretty clever from that perspective! I recall buying Now at a Barnes&Noble. The clerk was rather contemptuous and said something like "yes, here are 'New Earth', Wayne Dyer and Chopra etc." Didn't think anything of it at the time. Didn't even know about the Oprah connection until months and months later. I'd found him by googling the phrase "I stopped listening to the voice in my head" -- which is .. another story. Him, Niz, Adya, Maharshi, Spira, etc (even Mckenna) ... their pointing is all different, all unique, but it's soooooo obvious they're all pointing .. the "same". In 2005 (I think), I was at a pub in South London with a friend, and we got talking to a homeless guy, we were talking for a while. At one point, he told us about a time he had been begging in central London and a famous television actor walked by. He asked the actor for some cash, but instead, the actor insisted that the homeless guy accompany him to a bookshop around the corner, so that he could buy him a book.... As the story unfolded, and he got to the point about the bookshop, I suddenly knew with EVERY fibre of my being what book the actor was going to buy the homeless guy.....and I guess you know too.... Anyway, homeless guy liked TPON. I don't think he was suddenly enlightened or whatever through reading it, but there was definitely something in it for him. Random story, just my way of saying hello to you all perhaps. |
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Post by Esponja on Mar 20, 2021 0:30:21 GMT
I recall buying Now at a Barnes&Noble. The clerk was rather contemptuous and said something like "yes, here are 'New Earth', Wayne Dyer and Chopra etc." Didn't think anything of it at the time. Didn't even know about the Oprah connection until months and months later. I'd found him by googling the phrase "I stopped listening to the voice in my head" -- which is .. another story. Him, Niz, Adya, Maharshi, Spira, etc (even Mckenna) ... their pointing is all different, all unique, but it's soooooo obvious they're all pointing .. the "same". In 2005 (I think), I was at a pub in South London with a friend, and we got talking to a homeless guy, we were talking for a while. At one point, he told us about a time he had been begging in central London and a famous television actor walked by. He asked the actor for some cash, but instead, the actor insisted that the homeless guy accompany him to a bookshop around the corner, so that he could buy him a book.... As the story unfolded, and he got to the point about the bookshop, I suddenly knew with EVERY fibre of my being what book the actor was going to buy the homeless guy.....and I guess you know too.... Anyway, homeless guy liked TPON. I don't think he was suddenly enlightened or whatever through reading it, but there was definitely something in it for him. Random story, just my way of saying hello to you all perhaps. Cool story. We took a homeless man to a nightclub last week (don’t ask!) |
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