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Post by Figgles on Nov 2, 2020 22:57:58 GMT
Muttley, you might find Spira's explanation of this more palatable than mine....because, well, simply because it's not coming from me  ....maybe this Truth, coming from his mouth will go down a little easier...he does an excellent job of explaining that 'THIS now is the only NOW there is.' |
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Post by Figgles on Nov 2, 2020 23:05:26 GMT
"Eternal doesn't mean everlasting in time, it means ever present, NOW. How many nows have you experienced today? One one now. The now is not this fraction of a moment sandwiched between the 2 vast spaces of past/future...now is not a moment in time.
If we're just simply staying with the facts of our experience, time is never experienced. Time is what the NOW looks like when it's filtered through mind." Rupert Spira
Muttley, do you see how what Spira is saying has both clarity/WIBIGO re: experience involved in it as well as an actual realization/seeing through? "Staying with the facts of our experience," that's what it means to look at what can actually be known...what IS known, what is actually going on vs. what is being imagined.
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Post by Figgles on Nov 2, 2020 23:21:59 GMT
"Have I ever had or could I ever have an experience that is not now? Is the past or the future ever an actual experience or is it simply a thought? See that the past and future are thoughts only. See that we have no experience of a past or future. We experience a thought about the past or future, but never the past or future itself. An event, object, person or situation cannot happen in a thought. See likewise that the now is not a moment moving through time. It has no duration. There is no time through which we move. Time is imagined to be real only when we've forgotten our true nature of ever-present awareness and imagined ourselves instead to be limited, local entities. Time and space are born of that thought. There is no present moment, In fact, there are no moments in experience. The line of time along which we are supposedly moving, is never experienced. It is simply an idea and an image. And that idea and image, along with all other sensations, and perceptions, is always now--in fact not 'always' now because there is no always in time, but rather, eternally now. There is just the ever present now: Eternity. Time is thought superimposed over eternity and eternity is just another name for our true nature of awareness." Rupert Spira That bolded line at the end imo really nails it.  |
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Post by Enigma on Nov 4, 2020 19:22:27 GMT
Muttley, you might find Spira's explanation of this more palatable than mine....because, well, simply because it's not coming from me ....maybe this Truth, coming from his mouth will go down a little easier...he does an excellent job of explaining that 'THIS now is the only NOW there is.' Good stuff. Of course, the dream metaphor works well for me. The 'reality' prior to the dream of creation is nothingness. No time, no space, no physicality. They must be dreamed into apparent existence for experience to happen. This is why life is not 'truthy'. There's nothing here that we have not dreamed. |
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Post by muttley on Nov 6, 2020 7:44:58 GMT
Muttley, you might find Spira's explanation of this more palatable than mine....because, well, simply because it's not coming from me ....maybe this Truth, coming from his mouth will go down a little easier...he does an excellent job of explaining that 'THIS now is the only NOW there is.' Your problem here is your massive spiritual ego that refuses to view me as someone who has realized what you've realized, so you have to write and respond to your straw-laffy instead of what it is that I'm actually writing.  I have my own thoughts and words on the topic, and I'm writing relative to minds that are past the illusion of separation. I don't object to what Rupert is saying in the context of what he's saying any more than I objected to what Niz said here. Think: did I ask you the question, "why don't you experience time in deep sleep?". You imagine that you're saying what Rupert is saying, but you're just mouthing the punchline. In the full context of the entire dialog, you're not saying exactly what he's saying. He's answering a question to someone who obviously hasn't realized the illusion based on time. In case you hadn't noticed, he's literally speaking to a child, and it's relatively shallow water on the topic, here's an example with more depth:
Does your mind exist, or is your mind an illusion? |
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Post by Figgles on Nov 6, 2020 23:11:27 GMT
Your problem here is your massive spiritual ego that refuses to view me as someone who has realized what you've realized, so you have to write and respond to your straw-laffy instead of what it is that I'm actually writing. You mean, stuff like this? Time does not become something other than an illusion once separation has been seen through. "Time is never actually experienced," remains the Truth, regardless of SR or not. That time is never actually experienced, IS shallow water in that it doesn't take the realization of no separation to simply look at WIBIGO to see it. "I am/I exist," is another 'shallow water' Truth that is self evident/obvious if you simply look at what's actually going on. The problem is, that so long as the SVP has not been seen through, the propensity is still very much there to buy into the ideas that mind gravitates to, to take them as something more than mere ideas. Where there is still identification with an SVP, there is still also identification with the idea of an objectively existent world 'out there,' of memories being indicative of the existence of such, and of intervals of time idea looming so large so as to obstruct clear, direct seeing of what can be known for certain, which means, taking the interval of time idea as something more than just an idea. Define "your mind." But I see where you're going with this. Don't forget though, that's its mind that imagines fundamental separation. Just because mind thinks it's seeing separation, time passage, an interval that moves, does not make it so. "Like time, space is never actually experienced." Rupert Spira (that's in the video you posted...did you actually watch it?) |
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Post by Figgles on Nov 14, 2020 16:29:53 GMT
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....maybe this Truth, coming from his mouth will go down a little easier...he does an excellent job of explaining that 'THIS now is the only NOW there is.' 
I have my own thoughts and words on the topic, and I'm writing relative to minds that are past the illusion of separation.