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Post by Enigma on Jan 14, 2020 14:56:09 GMT
Could what you are saying be summed up by "What you resist, persists"? Yes, perfect definition. "Trying to change" persist. Resisting what persists is the affirmation of what currently is, the expectation and belief that it will remain so. This is creative. What is also creative is joyfully allowing change in the belief that all things are possible now.
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Post by Enigma on Jan 14, 2020 14:56:54 GMT
Yes, perfect definition. "Trying to change" persist. Trying or intending to change something though, does not always mean you are 'resisting' current conditions. For example, if you have a headache and pop a pill with intent to make it go away, does that necessarily mean the headache will persist? Good pill point. In fact, the expectation it WILL go away is so powerful that it may begin to do so even before the pill is actually taken.
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Post by Figgles on Jan 14, 2020 17:29:29 GMT
Yes, perfect definition. "Trying to change" persist. Resisting what persists is the affirmation of what currently is, the expectation and belief that it will remain so. This is creative. What is also creative is joyfully allowing change in the belief that all things are possible now. Well said.
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Post by Figgles on Jan 14, 2020 17:30:31 GMT
Trying or intending to change something though, does not always mean you are 'resisting' current conditions. For example, if you have a headache and pop a pill with intent to make it go away, does that necessarily mean the headache will persist? Good pill point. In fact, the expectation it WILL go away is so powerful that it may begin to do so even before the pill is actually taken. Yup!
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Post by Figgles on Jan 14, 2020 17:54:09 GMT
What you continue to not see is that the absence of absolute knowing if appearing others are perceiving/experiencing is but one facet of the greater, encompassing realization that the entire realm of perceivables arise dependently within/to that which abides, and thus, are empty/devoid of independent, inherent substance/Truth.
It is the overriding realization of "no separation" that's at the helm of that seeing through.
Surely you don't think the realization of no separation/Oneness is 'totally useless'?
The very fact that you believe every minute realization within the larger, encompassing realization of no separation must have a 'use' that somehow benefits the person is very problematic.
And, what you're also failing to see is that if you value freedom, the entire realm of perceivables must be laid upon the fire and allowed to burn. Truth/Freedom is uncompromising.
Seeing through 'some' perceivables, to render them empty of independent substance/Truth is just not gonna cut it Reefs. Unless the seeing through is all encompassing, includes ALL perceivables, the world's still gotcha.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 13:26:43 GMT
Yes, perfect definition. "Trying to change" persist. Trying or intending to change something though, does not always mean you are 'resisting' current conditions. For example, if you have a headache and pop a pill with intent to make it go away, does that necessarily mean the headache will persist? That's the one time action, you are not repeating again and again. If you meet up with road which forks on two path, then you take one, It's a one time decision.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 13:40:52 GMT
Yes, perfect definition. "Trying to change" persist. Resisting what persists is the affirmation of what currently is, the expectation and belief that it will remain so. This is creative. What is also creative is joyfully allowing change in the belief that all things are possible now. I am not sure whether I am understanding you. Are you saying you can expect anything and believe that it is going to happen would cause it to happen? (I am finding very tough situation to form the English lines now, so bear with me if you are not able to make sense of what I write, I will write it again with different lines if you find trouble understanding what I am writing.)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 13:42:29 GMT
Trying or intending to change something though, does not always mean you are 'resisting' current conditions. For example, if you have a headache and pop a pill with intent to make it go away, does that necessarily mean the headache will persist? Good pill point. In fact, the expectation it WILL go away is so powerful that it may begin to do so even before the pill is actually taken. I will definitely agree with you here. But I am not sure whether you are saying you can will anything and confirming with the belief that it's going to happen will happen that way?
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Post by Enigma on Jan 15, 2020 14:29:12 GMT
Resisting what persists is the affirmation of what currently is, the expectation and belief that it will remain so. This is creative. What is also creative is joyfully allowing change in the belief that all things are possible now. I am not sure whether I am understanding you. Are you saying you can expect anything and believe that it is going to happen would cause it to happen? (I am finding very tough situation to form the English lines now, so bear with me if you are not able to make sense of what I write, I will write it again with different lines if you find trouble understanding what I am writing.) Isn't that, in fact, what happens almost all the time. What you believe and expect to happen? It's also true that we tend to believe and expect what we experience. The two together are the stabilizing influence for our experience in the face of infinite potential. Resisting what is happening tends to confirm that you expect and believe it will happen, otherwise you would not be resisting it.
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Post by Enigma on Jan 15, 2020 14:32:08 GMT
Good pill point. In fact, the expectation it WILL go away is so powerful that it may begin to do so even before the pill is actually taken. I will definitely agree with you here. But I am not sure whether you are saying you can will anything and confirming with the belief that it's going to happen will happen that way? You can't will anything. You don't have volition. We're just talking about expectation and belief, which you don't control.
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