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Nov 20, 2019 16:40:39 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 16:40:39 GMT
Are you just completely stupid, because that was a really stupid thing to say. You've been told repeatedly what 'identifying with' means to us and the rest of the free world, but you continue to discuss with us as though you don't hear it, and proceeding to ask us pointed questions involving the term that we define differently. So which is it, trolling or Dufus? (or ignoramousness) What I've been repeatedly told what it means to you is nonsense. Now answer the question about how you can engage without identifying or do you want to continue trolling me.
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Nov 20, 2019 20:32:31 GMT
Post by Figgles on Nov 20, 2019 20:32:31 GMT
So you are 'individuated consciousness' which coexists with the infinite? That's your Truth? To deny individuated personal consciousness would be rather absurd don't you think? I would have no response because such a denial would be so preposterous. I am aware of course that you have a certain philosophical belief but that's another matter. The absence of identification with the appearing person/character/individual does not equal denial of such. It's pretty clear that you identify with personhood and cannot imagine how that identification might be absent, without denial entering in. I assure you, denial of apparent individuality, personhood, is not necessary for the cessation of identification.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 22:40:14 GMT
Are you just completely stupid, because that was a really stupid thing to say. You've been told repeatedly what 'identifying with' means to us and the rest of the free world, but you continue to discuss with us as though you don't hear it, and proceeding to ask us pointed questions involving the term that we define differently. So which is it, trolling or Dufus? (or ignoramousness) I'm all in on Dufus, and the dufustificity it inspires.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 1:53:11 GMT
To deny individuated personal consciousness would be rather absurd don't you think? I would have no response because such a denial would be so preposterous. I am aware of course that you have a certain philosophical belief but that's another matter. The absence of identification with the appearing person/character/individual does not equal denial of such. It's pretty clear that you identify with personhood and cannot imagine how that identification might be absent, without denial entering in. I assure you, denial of apparent individuality, personhood, is not necessary for the cessation of identification. I can assure you that the individual ego/person is also what you are and you are also unbounded, unlimited and free from the bondage of action without being in conflict or contradiction with the individual. You might call that freedom non identification, but it's freedom with identification. You're all mixed up. Who is it that does or doesn't identify with personhood? What is this entity imagining or not imagining or identifying or not identifying with this thing you call personhood? If you can imagine identification can be absent then who is the imaginer of that. You would say no one. How ridiculous!
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Nov 21, 2019 6:07:22 GMT
Post by Figgles on Nov 21, 2019 6:07:22 GMT
The absence of identification with the appearing person/character/individual does not equal denial of such. It's pretty clear that you identify with personhood and cannot imagine how that identification might be absent, without denial entering in. I assure you, denial of apparent individuality, personhood, is not necessary for the cessation of identification. I can assure you that the individual ego/person is also what you are and you are also unbounded, unlimited and free from the bondage of action without being in conflict or contradiction with the individual. You might call that freedom non identification, but it's freedom with identification. You're all mixed up. Who is it that does or doesn't identify with personhood? What is this entity imagining or not imagining or identifying or not identifying with this thing you call personhood? If you can imagine identification can be absent then who is the imaginer of that. You would say no one. How ridiculous! There is no 'who'...no actual entity. That's what's so crazy. Identification is itself built upon the erroneous idea of separation. You believe in the actuality of an existent entity who identifies, who is a doer. Which indicates that separation for you, is still very much in play.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 7:46:21 GMT
There is no 'who'...no actual entity. That's what's so crazy. Identification is itself built upon the erroneous idea of separation. You believe in the actuality of an existent entity who identifies, who is a doer. Which indicates that separation for you, is still very much in play. What's in play for you is magical thinking. 😀
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Post by Enigma on Nov 21, 2019 15:46:18 GMT
The absence of identification with the appearing person/character/individual does not equal denial of such. It's pretty clear that you identify with personhood and cannot imagine how that identification might be absent, without denial entering in. I assure you, denial of apparent individuality, personhood, is not necessary for the cessation of identification. I can assure you that the individual ego/person is also what you are and you are also unbounded, unlimited and free from the bondage of action without being in conflict or contradiction with the individual. You might call that freedom non identification, but it's freedom with identification. You're all mixed up. Who is it that does or doesn't identify with personhood? What is this entity imagining or not imagining or identifying or not identifying with this thing you call personhood? If you can imagine identification can be absent then who is the imaginer of that. You would say no one. How ridiculous! What you call an entity is creation unfolding in/as Consciousness. There is no entity involved.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 16:35:41 GMT
What you call an entity is creation unfolding in/as Consciousness. There is no entity involved. And what you have done is to invent an entity which you call creation which is unfolding something. Which means you are also separate from it because you are observing it unfolding so it is separate from you as the knower of the creation thingy doing its unfolding business.
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Post by Enigma on Nov 22, 2019 0:52:15 GMT
What you call an entity is creation unfolding in/as Consciousness. There is no entity involved. And what you have done is to invent an entity which you call creation which is unfolding something. Which means you are also separate from it because you are observing it unfolding so it is separate from you as the knower of the creation thingy doing its unfolding business. Consciousness creates and observes. Creation and perception are the same. No entity involved.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 2:11:53 GMT
And what you have done is to invent an entity which you call creation which is unfolding something. Which means you are also separate from it because you are observing it unfolding so it is separate from you as the knower of the creation thingy doing its unfolding business. Consciousness creates and observes. Creation and perception are the same. No entity involved. Stating that something called Consciousness creates and observes is just a conceptual idea generated by your mind which is the personal self.
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