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Nov 20, 2019 5:15:28 GMT
Post by Figgles on Nov 20, 2019 5:15:28 GMT
So, what you are saying then is that absent 'the belief that the body/mind is primarily what you are,' you'll go plunging off cliffs? So you tell me. If you know that you are not the body what stops you from plunging off the cliff? Engagement with and enjoyment of the bodily/earthly experience....a love of this particular story/dream.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 5:18:40 GMT
So you tell me. If you know that you are not the body what stops you from plunging off the cliff? Engagement with and enjoyment of the bodily/earthly experience....a love of this particular story/dream. How do you engage without identifying? What is it that is engaging? It is surely you!
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Nov 20, 2019 5:33:36 GMT
Post by Figgles on Nov 20, 2019 5:33:36 GMT
Engagement with and enjoyment of the bodily/earthly experience....a love of this particular story/dream. How do you engage without identifying? What is it that is engaging? It is surely you! This is the bit you keep missing, even though you just agreed in your last post to me; Enjoyment, all experience, happens absent an object/thing that gives rise to it. I am the unchanging backdrop upon which all phenomena appears. Seeing that means the end of identification with the phenomenal...which means a body appears within experience, just as engagement and enjoyment of the body appears, and all to/within that which I really am. (which is not an object/thing nor anything else that can be identified with). It's all just happening. (not very satisfying for mind, I know).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 5:40:12 GMT
How do you engage without identifying? What is it that is engaging? It is surely you! This is the bit you keep missing, even though you just agreed in your last post to me; Enjoyment, all experience, happens absent an object/thing that gives rise to it. I am the unchanging backdrop upon which all phenomena appears. Seeing that means the end of identification with the phenomenal...which means a body appears within experience, just as engagement and enjoyment of the body appears, and all to/within that which I really am. (which is not an object/thing nor anything else that can be identified with). It's all just happening. (not very satisfying for mind, I know). That's just waffle. There is an individuated consciousness which coexists with the infinite.
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Nov 20, 2019 5:57:00 GMT
Post by Figgles on Nov 20, 2019 5:57:00 GMT
This is the bit you keep missing, even though you just agreed in your last post to me; Enjoyment, all experience, happens absent an object/thing that gives rise to it. I am the unchanging backdrop upon which all phenomena appears. Seeing that means the end of identification with the phenomenal...which means a body appears within experience, just as engagement and enjoyment of the body appears, and all to/within that which I really am. (which is not an object/thing nor anything else that can be identified with). It's all just happening. (not very satisfying for mind, I know). That's just waffle. There is an individuated consciousness which coexists with the infinite. So you are 'individuated consciousness' which coexists with the infinite? That's your Truth?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 6:09:36 GMT
That's just waffle. There is an individuated consciousness which coexists with the infinite. So you are 'individuated consciousness' which coexists with the infinite? That's your Truth? To deny individuated personal consciousness would be rather absurd don't you think? I would have no response because such a denial would be so preposterous. I am aware of course that you have a certain philosophical belief but that's another matter.
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Post by Enigma on Nov 20, 2019 14:10:06 GMT
That's, like, recognizing shit. Identifying with the cliff means you think you are the cliff. Yes. Perfectly put. (hehe...."recognizing shit" ...love it.) I can be eloquent at times.
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Nov 20, 2019 14:18:53 GMT
Post by Enigma on Nov 20, 2019 14:18:53 GMT
Engagement with and enjoyment of the bodily/earthly experience....a love of this particular story/dream. How do you engage without identifying? What is it that is engaging? It is surely you! You're either trolling or you've gone Dufus. Which is it?
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Nov 20, 2019 14:46:30 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 14:46:30 GMT
How do you engage without identifying? What is it that is engaging? It is surely you! You're either trolling or you've gone Dufus. Which is it? Are you just completely stupid, because that was a really stupid thing to say.
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Nov 20, 2019 15:54:00 GMT
Post by Enigma on Nov 20, 2019 15:54:00 GMT
You're either trolling or you've gone Dufus. Which is it? Are you just completely stupid, because that was a really stupid thing to say. You've been told repeatedly what 'identifying with' means to us and the rest of the free world, but you continue to discuss with us as though you don't hear it, and proceeding to ask us pointed questions involving the term that we define differently. So which is it, trolling or Dufus? (or ignoramousness)
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