Post by Figgles on Mar 5, 2019 17:49:03 GMT
Zazeniac: Does that realization ever recede, move to the background, say in a heated argument? Do you ever forget it and act as if you are that person. I can say that I have been in difficult circumstances and had the feeling I was watching a movie, I felt detached. Is that the same thing?
In Adyashanti's book, "The End Of Your World," he speaks about abiding vs. nonabiding awakening..I think what he says speaks perfectly to your bolded questions above...I can really relate myself to what he describes. For many years, since I was quite young, I would get glimpses that usually did not last beyond a few moment at a time...then the intervals became longer and longer. The first glimpses for me happened in tandem with some of the 'worst' happenings in my life, one in particular; Scalp ripped apart by a dog who was standing in the back of a truck, when walking home from scool....while I walked the rest of the way home, blood pouring from my head, "I" perceived it all as pure awareness, just the silent witness to all that was happening...this 'perspective' continued for several hours. I think this might explain why the experience did not leave me fearing dogs at all, (the person wasn't really there) but who knows.
Adya: "..this experience of awakening can be just a glimpse, or it can be sustained over time. Now, some would say that if an awakening is momentary, it is not a real awakening. There are those who believe that with authentic awakening, your perception opens up to the true nature of things and never closes back down again. I can understand this perspective, since ultimately the whole spiritual journey does lead us to a full awakening. Full awakening simply means that we perceive from the perspective of Spirit--from the view of oneness--all the time.
...So, as I see it, it doesn't really matter whether an awakening is instantaneous of continuous. It matters in the sense that there is a trajectory--nobody's heart will be totally fulfilled until that perceiving from the point of view of truth is continuous--but what is seen is an awakening, whether it is sustained or not.
This glimpse of awakening, which I call nonabiding awakening, is becoming more and more common. It happens for a moment, an afternoon, a day, a week--maybe as long as a month or two. Awareness opens up, the sense of separate self falls away--and then, like the aperture on a camera lens, awareness closes back down. All of a sudden that person who had previously perceived true nonduality, true oneness, is quite surprisingly now perceiving in the dualistic "dreamstate." In the dream state, we're back in our conditioned sense of self--in a limited, isolated sense of being.
The good news is that once a moment of this clear seeing has actually taken place, the aperture of our awareness can never completely close down again. It may seem like it has close down completely, but is never quite does. InThe deepest part of yourself, you don't ever forget. Even if you've only glimpsed reality for a moment, something within you is changed forever. "
...So, as I see it, it doesn't really matter whether an awakening is instantaneous of continuous. It matters in the sense that there is a trajectory--nobody's heart will be totally fulfilled until that perceiving from the point of view of truth is continuous--but what is seen is an awakening, whether it is sustained or not.
This glimpse of awakening, which I call nonabiding awakening, is becoming more and more common. It happens for a moment, an afternoon, a day, a week--maybe as long as a month or two. Awareness opens up, the sense of separate self falls away--and then, like the aperture on a camera lens, awareness closes back down. All of a sudden that person who had previously perceived true nonduality, true oneness, is quite surprisingly now perceiving in the dualistic "dreamstate." In the dream state, we're back in our conditioned sense of self--in a limited, isolated sense of being.
The good news is that once a moment of this clear seeing has actually taken place, the aperture of our awareness can never completely close down again. It may seem like it has close down completely, but is never quite does. InThe deepest part of yourself, you don't ever forget. Even if you've only glimpsed reality for a moment, something within you is changed forever. "
zazeniac said:
I was on the doomed ship. We were sinking. In the midst of the the panic, I was trying to convince everyone that it was an illusion, that we were not these bodies, that everything would be okay. They threw me overboard. Have you ever dove into near freezing water? It's not pleasant. Yet I woke up thankfully and discovered it wasn't real. Somehow I think SR can't be the same.
In the dream it seemed I was trying to convince myself as much as others. I was using this knowledge to avoid the impending pain and horror instead of surrendering. It seems in hindsight that the knowledge was a trap, a sophisticated form of denial.
Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/5290/dreams-titanic#ixzz5hJpD3inG
I was on the doomed ship. We were sinking. In the midst of the the panic, I was trying to convince everyone that it was an illusion, that we were not these bodies, that everything would be okay. They threw me overboard. Have you ever dove into near freezing water? It's not pleasant. Yet I woke up thankfully and discovered it wasn't real. Somehow I think SR can't be the same.
In the dream it seemed I was trying to convince myself as much as others. I was using this knowledge to avoid the impending pain and horror instead of surrendering. It seems in hindsight that the knowledge was a trap, a sophisticated form of denial.
Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/5290/dreams-titanic#ixzz5hJpD3inG
Trying to convince self in a moment of horror just means you are grasping to a concept vs. actually realizing the truth. In Truth realization there is no need to convince yourself of anything...it is crystal clear. But important to note, just because one knows it's all just a dream of sorts, doesn't mean that he loses all interest in it or doesn't care. Even while completely lucid in my night-time dreams I still don't relish jumping of cliffs, stripping in front of crowds, getting chased by monsters. Knowing it's all an arising within Consciousness does not mean that it no longer captivates attention, it just no longer 'fully captivates.'
