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Post by Figgles on May 12, 2020 0:34:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 1:19:21 GMT
I had no idea you were so bitter and twisted. One need not be bitter and twisted to see and call out someone who is clearly trying to play games with them vs. sincerely addressing their posts. At times, every once & awhile, you DO seem to be sincere and then you go through these phases where you are just being an outright asshole. I have no idea how you could come to such a conclusion about someone who is trying to make you wake up. 😀
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 1:32:11 GMT
I had no idea you were so bitter and twisted. How did you get that out of what I said? Just curious. You're curious? Really? you have feelings towards me that are much less kind than telling me I'm a troll. Seriously? 😀😀 let's get this straight. These feelings arise because I disagree with you or challenge you right? Is that how it works? Do you think I feel the same way when you challenge me?
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Post by Enigma on May 12, 2020 1:40:19 GMT
How did you get that out of what I said? Just curious. You're curious? Really? you have feelings towards me that are much less kind than telling me I'm a troll. Seriously? 😀😀 let's get this straight. These feelings arise because I disagree with you or challenge you right? Is that how it works? Do you think I feel the same way when you challenge me? Huh?
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 1:42:44 GMT
You're curious? Really? you have feelings towards me that are much less kind than telling me I'm a troll. Seriously? 😀😀 let's get this straight. These feelings arise because I disagree with you or challenge you right? Is that how it works? Do you think I feel the same way when you challenge me? Huh? 😀
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Post by Enigma on May 12, 2020 14:19:45 GMT
Huh? 😀 I don't even have unkind thoughts about you, much less feelings, but I know you would not take kindly to the thoughts I do have. Calling you a trollface is an act of kindness.
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Post by Figgles on Aug 31, 2020 16:10:32 GMT
While the directive to 'control your reaction to circumstance' might provide an auspicious place from which to possibly see that I am neither the controller of reactions, the reactions, nor am I tied up in circumstance, absent that seeing/realization, all you're doing in prescribing such to a seeker, is further entrenching them in the idea of being an entity that controls stuff.
Peace, acceptance, allowance of a circumstance that is unwanted, cannot be fabricated because what we're really talking about, is an absence.
The experience of 'controlling my reactions and circumstances in turn, changing to reflect that,' is dream-scape, dream-stuff. Once you see it for what it is, the jig is up.
True "Peace...freedom....transcendence" in the face of "difficult" circumstance, hinges upon an absence of the SVP, and the ensuing changes one may see that appear to be down the road of time, from that, are not caused by the peaceable reaction, but seamlessly 'correlated,' just as the volatile, non-accepting reaction is seamlessly correlated with the manifest circumstance.
When you remove the SVP from the equation, what we're left with is; Desire, reactions, manifest outcome, all one singular, seamless, appearance/happening/experience.
In clarity, there's no longer any need to stand apart from manifest conditions, in the shoes of an imaginary orchestrator, to try to control circumstance/conditions. Freedom from ALL conditions may not mean that there is personal 'liking' of all those conditions, but it does mean that there is no sense of needing to escape from those conditions...and any intent that arises that's aligned with a change in those conditions, is deeply understood to be itself, a pre-manifestation of the upcoming intended condition. That's what 'alignment' really is; When intent, action and manifestation are completely in synch.
In one sense, they always are completely synched up, it's just that the presence of an SVP muddies things up...lack of clarity....split mind makes for knee-jerk responses that are tied to, knee-jerk, need based (SVP, delusion based) wants/desires/cravings.
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Post by Figgles on Aug 31, 2020 16:18:51 GMT
If you've actually realized that you are already what you seek, why would you still be advocating 'controlling reactions' so as to manifest desired conditions?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2020 19:47:23 GMT
While the directive to 'control your reaction to circumstance' might provide an auspicious place from which to possibly see that I am neither the controller of reactions, the reactions, nor am I tied up in circumstance, absent that seeing/realization, all you're doing in prescribing such to a seeker, is further entrenching them in the idea of being an entity that controls stuff. Peace, acceptance, allowance of a circumstance that is unwanted, cannot be fabricated because what we're really talking about, is an absence. The experience of 'controlling my reactions and circumstances in turn, changing to reflect that,' is dream-scape, dream-stuff. Once you see it for what it is, the jig is up. True "Peace...freedom....transcendence" in the face of "difficult" circumstance, hinges upon an absence of the SVP, and the ensuing changes one may see that appear to be down the road of time, from that, are not caused by the peaceable reaction, but seamlessly 'correlated,' just as the volatile, non-accepting reaction is seamlessly correlated with the manifest circumstance. When you remove the SVP from the equation, what we're left with is; Desire, reactions, manifest outcome, all one singular, seamless, appearance/happening/experience. In clarity, there's no longer any need to stand apart from manifest conditions, in the shoes of an imaginary orchestrator, to try to control circumstance/conditions. Freedom from ALL conditions may not mean that there is personal 'liking' of all those conditions, but it does mean that there is no sense of needing to escape from those conditions...and any intent that arises that's aligned with a change in those conditions, is deeply understood to be itself, a pre-manifestation of the upcoming intended condition. That's what 'alignment' really is; When intent, action and manifestation are completely in synch. In one sense, they always are completely synched up, it's just that the presence of an SVP muddies things up...lack of clarity....split mind makes for knee-jerk responses that are tied to, knee-jerk, need based (SVP, delusion based) wants/desires/cravings. His overall content is correct. That's infact written very well. Change in the inner is the indication that change is going to happen in the outer. He is wrong when he is asking to bring the change in inner via control. But he definitely observed something.
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Post by Figgles on Aug 31, 2020 21:21:27 GMT
While the directive to 'control your reaction to circumstance' might provide an auspicious place from which to possibly see that I am neither the controller of reactions, the reactions, nor am I tied up in circumstance, absent that seeing/realization, all you're doing in prescribing such to a seeker, is further entrenching them in the idea of being an entity that controls stuff. Peace, acceptance, allowance of a circumstance that is unwanted, cannot be fabricated because what we're really talking about, is an absence. The experience of 'controlling my reactions and circumstances in turn, changing to reflect that,' is dream-scape, dream-stuff. Once you see it for what it is, the jig is up. True "Peace...freedom....transcendence" in the face of "difficult" circumstance, hinges upon an absence of the SVP, and the ensuing changes one may see that appear to be down the road of time, from that, are not caused by the peaceable reaction, but seamlessly 'correlated,' just as the volatile, non-accepting reaction is seamlessly correlated with the manifest circumstance. When you remove the SVP from the equation, what we're left with is; Desire, reactions, manifest outcome, all one singular, seamless, appearance/happening/experience. In clarity, there's no longer any need to stand apart from manifest conditions, in the shoes of an imaginary orchestrator, to try to control circumstance/conditions. Freedom from ALL conditions may not mean that there is personal 'liking' of all those conditions, but it does mean that there is no sense of needing to escape from those conditions...and any intent that arises that's aligned with a change in those conditions, is deeply understood to be itself, a pre-manifestation of the upcoming intended condition. That's what 'alignment' really is; When intent, action and manifestation are completely in synch. In one sense, they always are completely synched up, it's just that the presence of an SVP muddies things up...lack of clarity....split mind makes for knee-jerk responses that are tied to, knee-jerk, need based (SVP, delusion based) wants/desires/cravings. His overall content is correct. That's infact written very well. Change in the inner is the indication that change is going to happen in the outer. He is wrong when he is asking to bring the change in inner via control. But he definitely observed something. Yes. But, "observing something" that happens in experience does not equal realizing the Truth. Again, I have no problem with LOA talk, the experience of a shift in being leading to the manifestation of a previous desire, so long as that experience/happening not being passed off as an evidence of an absolute law...absolute Truth. LOA is all about betterment of experience....it's about adopting the position of the person, which means it's an 'in the dream' ontology...whereas, nonduality/Truth is all about seeing beyond experience.
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