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Post by Figgles on Mar 20, 2018 15:34:03 GMT
Well said. (All of it...the bolded though, very much sums it all up). The solution some have found is to add more layers to the cake, which gives mind somewhere else to go. It is, of course, the wrong direction. Yes indeed. And that 'wrong direction' includes CC experiences and the importance assigned to them. I think I'm gonna start calling CC's, "Cosmic Cake."
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Post by Enigma on Mar 20, 2018 15:43:22 GMT
Much like other specific seeings/realizations that hinge upon unknowing (no separation, absence of volition, no cause/effect, no path to SR) ensuing behavior, on the face of things, may not reveal the gravity of the shift that's taken place. The important shifts after all, re: all of those, happen within. One who has seen through his previous knowing of separation, still engages with individuation, but he no longer takes it as evidence of fundamental separation...he now sees that the totality is One unified movement, no one thing 'separable' from the other, and yet, to observe one who has realized this, on the surface of things, not much will appear to have changed. He still does much of the same stuff...brushes his teeth...goes to work....eat, engages with other folks...etc. etc. Likewise where volition is concerned. Choices and decisions continued to happen in experience and one looking on would probably not know that when Joe blow chooses a Victorian home to purchase over a Rancher, he does so in full understanding that he is not a separate doer/chooser....that that decision was part and parcel of a greater unfolding. That difference in seeing though, is quite monumental. It's the same with the seeing that I don't actually know whether the appearing person is consciously aware/experiencing or not. On the surface, experiential side of things, not much changes. I continue to engage all appearing people according to what presents...I engage their apparent self awareness fully, but beyond the experience of that, it is clearly seen/understood that the totality of experience, the totality what appears, appearing people included, is empty of truth, thus, what appears to be, it just part and parcel of 'an unfolding story.' Not truth. The ramifications of that knowing are more far reaching than just pertaining to a singular appearing 'thing,' rather, that absence of knowing as applied to the totality of what appears, makes for a blanketing absence of attachment/identification with experiential content/appearance, straight across the board. Engagement continues, attachment ceases. The ramifications of that cessation, are huge. We're talking freedom. Well said. I actually thought we were all pretty much in agreement about the tenuous connection between realization in general and outward behavior. The idea that behavior should be directly affected assumes that the person has been in charge of his life all along After all, the person is not the one being set free.
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Post by Figgles on Mar 20, 2018 17:26:19 GMT
Much like other specific seeings/realizations that hinge upon unknowing (no separation, absence of volition, no cause/effect, no path to SR) ensuing behavior, on the face of things, may not reveal the gravity of the shift that's taken place. The important shifts after all, re: all of those, happen within. One who has seen through his previous knowing of separation, still engages with individuation, but he no longer takes it as evidence of fundamental separation...he now sees that the totality is One unified movement, no one thing 'separable' from the other, and yet, to observe one who has realized this, on the surface of things, not much will appear to have changed. He still does much of the same stuff...brushes his teeth...goes to work....eat, engages with other folks...etc. etc. Likewise where volition is concerned. Choices and decisions continued to happen in experience and one looking on would probably not know that when Joe blow chooses a Victorian home to purchase over a Rancher, he does so in full understanding that he is not a separate doer/chooser....that that decision was part and parcel of a greater unfolding. That difference in seeing though, is quite monumental. It's the same with the seeing that I don't actually know whether the appearing person is consciously aware/experiencing or not. On the surface, experiential side of things, not much changes. I continue to engage all appearing people according to what presents...I engage their apparent self awareness fully, but beyond the experience of that, it is clearly seen/understood that the totality of experience, the totality what appears, appearing people included, is empty of truth, thus, what appears to be, it just part and parcel of 'an unfolding story.' Not truth. The ramifications of that knowing are more far reaching than just pertaining to a singular appearing 'thing,' rather, that absence of knowing as applied to the totality of what appears, makes for a blanketing absence of attachment/identification with experiential content/appearance, straight across the board. Engagement continues, attachment ceases. The ramifications of that cessation, are huge. We're talking freedom. Well said. I actually thought we were all pretty much in agreement about the tenuous connection between realization in general and outward behavior . The idea that behavior should be directly affected assumes that the person has been in charge of his life all along After all, the person is not the one being set free.Yes! An important point.
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Post by Enigma on Mar 20, 2018 23:40:11 GMT
The solution some have found is to add more layers to the cake, which gives mind somewhere else to go. It is, of course, the wrong direction. Yes indeed. And that 'wrong direction' includes CC experiences and the importance assigned to them. I think I'm gonna start calling CC's, "Cosmic Cake." Gotta love Google images.
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Post by Figgles on Mar 20, 2018 23:54:25 GMT
Yes indeed. And that 'wrong direction' includes CC experiences and the importance assigned to them. I think I'm gonna start calling CC's, "Cosmic Cake." Gotta love Google images.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 7:01:53 GMT
Much like other specific seeings/realizations that hinge upon unknowing (no separation, absence of volition, no cause/effect, no path to SR) ensuing behavior, on the face of things, may not reveal the gravity of the shift that's taken place. The important shifts after all, re: all of those, happen within. One who has seen through his previous knowing of separation, still engages with individuation, but he no longer takes it as evidence of fundamental separation...he now sees that the totality is One unified movement, no one thing 'separable' from the other, and yet, to observe one who has realized this, on the surface of things, not much will appear to have changed. He still does much of the same stuff...brushes his teeth...goes to work....eat, engages with other folks...etc. etc. Likewise where volition is concerned. Choices and decisions continued to happen in experience and one looking on would probably not know that when Joe blow chooses a Victorian home to purchase over a Rancher, he does so in full understanding that he is not a separate doer/chooser....that that decision was part and parcel of a greater unfolding. That difference in seeing though, is quite monumental. It's the same with the seeing that I don't actually know whether the appearing person is consciously aware/experiencing or not. On the surface, experiential side of things, not much changes. I continue to engage all appearing people according to what presents...I engage their apparent self awareness fully, but beyond the experience of that, it is clearly seen/understood that the totality of experience, the totality what appears, appearing people included, is empty of truth, thus, what appears to be, it just part and parcel of 'an unfolding story.' Not truth. The ramifications of that knowing are more far reaching than just pertaining to a singular appearing 'thing,' rather, that absence of knowing as applied to the totality of what appears, makes for a blanketing absence of attachment/identification with experiential content/appearance, straight across the board. Engagement continues, attachment ceases. The ramifications of that cessation, are huge. We're talking freedom. This is simple and easy matter but that would never reach them, you see that as a problem, but I don't! that's the way they are. you would be hoping that one day they would be seeing this truth, but I don't. Yes, the truth beyond the appearance can never be known! I as Awareness looking through this view point can never know whether I am having some other view point as well. I don't think any kind of realization would reveal the truth behind this matter. The people who think they have known this secret through some kind of mysterious realization is wrong. We can't know whether others are real is what the true realization!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 7:06:22 GMT
That right there SDP, with deep, sincere inquiry, could be a virtual treasure trove...possibly, The door to ending a lifetime of seeking. I'm guessing Pilgrim has no intention of ending the seeking. There's just too much fun information to acquire. He is the another example for you to see! A person who would like to continue to read more and more and not willing to see anything.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 7:06:55 GMT
The solution some have found is to add more layers to the cake, which gives mind somewhere else to go. It is, of course, the wrong direction. Yes indeed. And that 'wrong direction' includes CC experiences and the importance assigned to them. I think I'm gonna start calling CC's, "Cosmic Cake."
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 7:09:50 GMT
Much like other specific seeings/realizations that hinge upon unknowing (no separation, absence of volition, no cause/effect, no path to SR) ensuing behavior, on the face of things, may not reveal the gravity of the shift that's taken place. The important shifts after all, re: all of those, happen within. One who has seen through his previous knowing of separation, still engages with individuation, but he no longer takes it as evidence of fundamental separation...he now sees that the totality is One unified movement, no one thing 'separable' from the other, and yet, to observe one who has realized this, on the surface of things, not much will appear to have changed. He still does much of the same stuff...brushes his teeth...goes to work....eat, engages with other folks...etc. etc. Likewise where volition is concerned. Choices and decisions continued to happen in experience and one looking on would probably not know that when Joe blow chooses a Victorian home to purchase over a Rancher, he does so in full understanding that he is not a separate doer/chooser....that that decision was part and parcel of a greater unfolding. That difference in seeing though, is quite monumental. It's the same with the seeing that I don't actually know whether the appearing person is consciously aware/experiencing or not. On the surface, experiential side of things, not much changes. I continue to engage all appearing people according to what presents...I engage their apparent self awareness fully, but beyond the experience of that, it is clearly seen/understood that the totality of experience, the totality what appears, appearing people included, is empty of truth, thus, what appears to be, it just part and parcel of 'an unfolding story.' Not truth. The ramifications of that knowing are more far reaching than just pertaining to a singular appearing 'thing,' rather, that absence of knowing as applied to the totality of what appears, makes for a blanketing absence of attachment/identification with experiential content/appearance, straight across the board. Engagement continues, attachment ceases. The ramifications of that cessation, are huge. We're talking freedom. Well said. I actually thought we were all pretty much in agreement about the tenuous connection between realization in general and outward behavior. The idea that behavior should be directly affected assumes that the person has been in charge of his life all along After all, the person is not the one being set free. So person is the one who believes that he is separate individual?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 7:12:46 GMT
Yes indeed. And that 'wrong direction' includes CC experiences and the importance assigned to them. I think I'm gonna start calling CC's, "Cosmic Cake." Gotta love Google images. ZD seem to have eaten that first and then rest of the people are pretending to have eaten! ZD long ago agreed with maxdprophet that he can't know whether other individuals are real and he also insisted that that's not important because this body(his body) knows what to do next. If ZD once again started to argue like he knows the existence of other individuals through CC experience, then that must be the great evidence he must be deceiving it right now just for argument sake.
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