SR & CC anyone?

I find it extremely interesting that you are now equating 'knowing' with 'experiencing.'

For what it's worth, being awake means seeing that 'experience of' does not equal 'certain knowing about'. ie; When a person stands before you, you know the experience is of a person standing before you, but beyond the experiential content there, if you're awake, you see that you know nothing for certain. Conflating knowledge with experience is what causes suffering.

And you are also now speaking lots about 'knowing expressions to be material/deadened'....I am wondering where that came from. Who do you see doing that? Again, for what it's worth, seeing that I\you don't actually know stuff about appearances does not equal knowing that appearances are material and deadened....after all, that too would be knowledge, and all such knowledge gets seen through in SR/awakening.





It sounds really, really odd indeed.



To see a sort of metaphorical 'aliveness, vibrancy, energetic quality' that applies to and blankets the entirety/totality of life, the entirety of 'this,' is not the same as attributing 'conscious, self aware, being' to each and every singularly appearing object.

In SR, the 'totality' comes to the forefront in favor of individualized objects. That does not mean that all engagement with singular appearing objects ceases, but the unified, non-separate whole, looms larger than the appearance of individuation. Thus, we can talk about the entirety of experiential content, straight across the board, as being 'dream-stuff,' and thus, every appearing object is part and parcel of that, and in seeing through knowledge, there is no particular 'thing' that gets singled out as being known about.



Ah, this bit really demonstrates your misconceptions.

To see that I do not know if the person who appears to me is consciously self aware, experiencing, is not to the deny the presence of a metaphorical sense of vibrancy/aliveness that applies to the totality of 'this.' That presence though, does not equal the knowing that each individuated object, is in fact consciously self aware.

See what you've done? You've conflated 'being conscious' with the quality of 'alive/vital.' The two are not the same.

The knowing about each apparent individual object gets seen for what it is, but that does not mean that a sense of 'life/movement/energy' (whatever label you choose to give that sensed quality), ceases to accompany the totality of experience and experiential content as it ebbs and flows....arises and falls...comes and goes.

That right there SDP, with deep, sincere inquiry, could be a virtual treasure trove...possibly, The door to ending a lifetime of seeking.

Much like other specific seeings/realizations that hinge upon unknowing (no separation, absence of volition, no cause/effect, no path to SR) ensuing behavior, on the face of things, may not reveal the gravity of the shift that's taken place.

The important shifts after all, re: all of those, happen within. One who has seen through his previous knowing of separation, still engages with individuation, but he no longer takes it as evidence of fundamental separation...he now sees that the totality is One unified movement, no one thing 'separable' from the other, and yet, to observe one who has realized this, on the surface of things, not much will appear to have changed. He still does much of the same stuff...brushes his teeth...goes to work....eat, engages with other folks...etc. etc.

Likewise where volition is concerned. Choices and decisions continued to happen in experience and one looking on would probably not know that when Joe blow chooses a Victorian home to purchase over a Rancher, he does so in full understanding that he is not a separate doer/chooser....that that decision was part and parcel of a greater unfolding. That difference in seeing though, is quite monumental.

It's the same with the seeing that I don't actually know whether the appearing person is consciously aware/experiencing or not. On the surface, experiential side of things, not much changes. I continue to engage all appearing people according to what presents...I engage their apparent self awareness fully, but beyond the experience of that, it is clearly seen/understood that the totality of experience, the totality what appears, appearing people included, is empty of truth, thus, what appears to be, it just part and parcel of 'an unfolding story.' Not truth.

The ramifications of that knowing are more far reaching than just pertaining to a singular appearing 'thing,' rather, that absence of knowing as applied to the totality of what appears, makes for a blanketing absence of attachment/identification with experiential content/appearance, straight across the board. Engagement continues, attachment ceases. The ramifications of that cessation, are huge. We're talking freedom.

I'm guessing Pilgrim has no intention of ending the seeking. There's just too much fun information to acquire.