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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 11:55:30 GMT
Don't get me wrong. Of course, if one could know what will happen in the future, if it is possible to know who will do what kind of evil, it is indeed indicated to make a choice. What I was trying to point out here is: We can not know that. And when someone is already in power most of the time it's too late to do something about it. Like the attempt to kill Hitler by german military guys unfortunately failed. So yes, I totally agree on the bolded text, OF COURSE! I changed my mind about it. Shoot me.  I stick to it!  And one of the reasons is that I'm born in germany and also live there. And in the city I'm living in, especially in the my area, there are golden brick-stones on the sidewalk infront of the houses in which jewish people have lived. On the brick-stones are their names and their birthdates and when they have been deported to a death-camp. They are a reminder of what happend in Germany, so we germans never forget what happend to our jewish (dissidents, homosexuals, etc.) neighbours under the nazi-regime. And if one is sensitive, one can still feel the stress, the angst, the sadness and the desperation of the ones who have been send to death-camps in the atmosphere here. It's not gone completely. Andd...We again have right-wing political partys and right-wing ideologies going on, unfortunately. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 11:59:22 GMT
Figgles said in that thread:"From a vantage point of simply seeing that all that arises in the phenomenal world, is equally an expression of God, Mother Theresa is indeed, equal to Hitler. That particular seeing is devoid of personal judgement.....all is being rendered down into "God expresses as the phenomenal world." Thereby, that focus, where all is rendered equal, contains none of the judgements that render one expression better or worse, more moral, less moral, preferred, not preferred.
Absent judgement, all actions, all actors, can be seen as inherently innocent, equally of God, all arising of the same ground of being.
When the actions of a murderer and the actions of a saint are not being judged on their goodness vs. badness, or on any other basis, but rather are simply seen as 'happenings....Universal unfoldings,' there is nothing in play to create any sort of heirarchy or good vs. bad, wanted vs. not wanted, etc, that would thereby render them 'not equal' as manifestations of God Godding, Universe unfolding.
I’ve been told previously when making this point, that I am denying judgement, denying the objective 'badness' and 'goodness,' of each individual. Not so. Is one who compares two distinct waves arising in the surf, to declare that they both equally arise from the same ocean, in denial of the surface differences of the waves?
Of course not. In the moment where it is seen that all waves, regardless of whether they are big/small/choppy/flat, are of the same fundamental Source, those characteristics are not being denied, but rather, are simply not at the forefront of the focus. "
I'm just wondering WHY would anybody want to make a statement that is devoid of any kind of judgement by comparing a well known nun with a disgusting mass-murderer, calling them both "manifestations of God Godding" and "Universe unfolding". To me it's like saying that both of them have organs that are made out of cells. Yes sure, but what's the point? Even if both of them are "seen that all waves...are of the same fundamental Source", what's the point in saying it? What is it good for? Who benefits from that kind of perspective? To me, even if it is true, it's something one better does not talk about. Like when your beloved friend, who is insecure about her body and her looks, asks you if you think she looks fat in that dress, you say no. But then suggest she may choose a different dress because you like another dress better on her. You get my point? Anyway, I just don't think that Hitler and what he did was "God Godding". "Universe unfolding" maybe. But "God Godding" no way! Not in my definition of what God means and stands for. Edit: I appreaciate, honor and value a lot of what Figgles expresses here and also in the other forum (ST-forum). But this one isn't one of those expressions, sorry. What I was reading is an expression of equanimity. An acknowledgement that love courses through everything. You mean Love (God) expresses itself also as Hitler? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 12:21:57 GMT
I changed my mind about it. Shoot me. I stick to it! And one of the reasons is that I'm born in germany and also live there. And in the city I'm living in, especially in the my area, there are golden brick-stones on the sidewalk infront of the houses in which jewish people have lived. On the brick-stones are their names and their birthdates and when they have been deported to a death-camp. They are a reminder of what happend in Germany, so we germans never forget what happend to our jewish (dissidents, homosexuals, etc.) neighbours under the nazi-regime. And if one is sensitive, one can still feel the stress, the angst, the sadness and the desperation of the ones who have been send to death-camps in the atmosphere here. It's not gone completely. Andd...We again have right-wing political partys and right-wing ideologies going on, unfortunately. I was quite sensitive to it when I was in Germany. I went to the NCO Academy in, Bad Toelz, on the Austrian border. I felt the oppression there still as the Academy was in a former Nazi SS compound/headquarters. The sun didn't shine the whole time I was there, as though the place was still cursed. The word 'ominous' just popped into mind while seeing the images of the place in the mind's eye. Berlin was the same way. Rarely saw sunshine there. We have the same thing happening here politically with the current regime in Washington D.C.. I ask myself everyday- WTF is wrong with this guy? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 12:58:16 GMT
I stick to it! And one of the reasons is that I'm born in germany and also live there. And in the city I'm living in, especially in the my area, there are golden brick-stones on the sidewalk infront of the houses in which jewish people have lived. On the brick-stones are their names and their birthdates and when they have been deported to a death-camp. They are a reminder of what happend in Germany, so we germans never forget what happend to our jewish (dissidents, homosexuals, etc.) neighbours under the nazi-regime. And if one is sensitive, one can still feel the stress, the angst, the sadness and the desperation of the ones who have been send to death-camps in the atmosphere here. It's not gone completely. Andd...We again have right-wing political partys and right-wing ideologies going on, unfortunately. I was quite sensitive to it when I was in Germany. I went to the NCO Academy in, Bad Toelz, on the Austrian border. I felt the oppression there still as the Academy was in a former Nazi SS compound/headquarters. The sun didn't shine the whole time I was there, as though the place was still cursed. The word 'ominous' just popped into mind while seeing the images of the place in the mind's eye. Berlin was the same way. Rarely saw sunshine there. We have the same thing happening here politically with the current regime in Washington D.C.. I ask myself everyday- WTF is wrong with this guy? Yes, it is sad that you in the US have such a regime right now. It's even blond and blue-eyed. I'm wondering if that is a mere coincidence. And yes, walls, houses and the environment aren't as insentient as many think they are. I don't know why that is and how comes, but houses can be haunted, so I heard. And houses do have an atmosphere, a vibration that can be felt. And here, where I live, there was the area where the jewish intellectuals, teachers, etc. lived. A lot of houses have been builded by them or better financed by them to be build. In germany the whole, the lack, the void of the jewish culture been gone is still sensible. It is as if something is missing in the so called collective mind like a missing limb. And it never comes back. What was done here to the jewish people is so deeply evil that it can't be undone. It will be for ever in the collective mind of the germans. Like an invisible mark the germans are wearing. And therefore, even if one could critizise Israel for some good reasons, germans are not supposed to do that. And I get the point, spiritually. The point is that we germans don't know if we may not be the reincarnation of some nazi, who, in a former live-time, participated in mass-murder. And then, nowerdays, through what is called a vasana in sanskrit, expresses critique of the jewish culture through critizising Israel for its politics. Know what I mean? Vasana: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C4%81san%C4%81 |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 13:07:41 GMT
I was quite sensitive to it when I was in Germany. I went to the NCO Academy in, Bad Toelz, on the Austrian border. I felt the oppression there still as the Academy was in a former Nazi SS compound/headquarters. The sun didn't shine the whole time I was there, as though the place was still cursed. The word 'ominous' just popped into mind while seeing the images of the place in the mind's eye. Berlin was the same way. Rarely saw sunshine there. We have the same thing happening here politically with the current regime in Washington D.C.. I ask myself everyday- WTF is wrong with this guy? Yes, it is sad that you in the US have such a regime right now. It's even blond and blue-eyed. I'm wondering if that is a mere coincidence. And yes, walls, houses and the environment aren't as insentient as many think they are. I don't know why that is and how comes, but houses can be haunted, so I heard. And houses do have an atmosphere, a vibration that can be felt. And here, where I live, there was the area where the jewish intellectuals, teachers, etc. lived. A lot of houses have been builded by them or better financed by them to be build. In germany the whole, the lack, the void of the jewish culture been gone is still sensible. It is as if something is missing in the so called collective mind like a missing limb. And it never comes back. What was done here to the jewish people is so deeply evil that it can't be undone. It will be for ever in the collective mind of the germans. Like an invisible mark the germans are wearing. And therefore, even if one could critizise Israel for some good reasons, germans are not supposed to do that. And I get the point, spiritually. The point is that we germans don't know if we may not be the reincarnation of some nazi, who, in a former live-time, participated in mass-murder. And then, nowerdays, through what is called a vasana in sanskrit, expresses critique of the jewish culture through critizising Israel for its politics. Know what I mean? Vasana: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C4%81san%C4%81I like the openness you're writing in this morning.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 11:34:59 GMT
I stick to it! And one of the reasons is that I'm born in germany and also live there. And in the city I'm living in, especially in the my area, there are golden brick-stones on the sidewalk infront of the houses in which jewish people have lived. On the brick-stones are their names and their birthdates and when they have been deported to a death-camp. They are a reminder of what happend in Germany, so we germans never forget what happend to our jewish (dissidents, homosexuals, etc.) neighbours under the nazi-regime. And if one is sensitive, one can still feel the stress, the angst, the sadness and the desperation of the ones who have been send to death-camps in the atmosphere here. It's not gone completely. Andd...We again have right-wing political partys and right-wing ideologies going on, unfortunately. I was quite sensitive to it when I was in Germany. I went to the NCO Academy in, Bad Toelz, on the Austrian border. I felt the oppression there still as the Academy was in a former Nazi SS compound/headquarters. The sun didn't shine the whole time I was there, as though the place was still cursed. The word 'ominous' just popped into mind while seeing the images of the place in the mind's eye. Berlin was the same way. Rarely saw sunshine there. We have the same thing happening here politically with the current regime in Washington D.C.. I ask myself everyday- WTF is wrong with this guy? Are you still a soldier/military-member? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 13:06:17 GMT
I was quite sensitive to it when I was in Germany. I went to the NCO Academy in, Bad Toelz, on the Austrian border. I felt the oppression there still as the Academy was in a former Nazi SS compound/headquarters. The sun didn't shine the whole time I was there, as though the place was still cursed. The word 'ominous' just popped into mind while seeing the images of the place in the mind's eye. Berlin was the same way. Rarely saw sunshine there. We have the same thing happening here politically with the current regime in Washington D.C.. I ask myself everyday- WTF is wrong with this guy? Are you still a soldier/military-member? No. Honorably discharged in 1974. Looks like they've moved the academy to Grafenwoehr. I only made it down to West Germany 3 times while stationed in, Berlin. Maneuvers in Hohenfels, Wildflecken, and the Academy episode in Bad Toelz. One Saturday evening while on training maneuvers in the Wildflecken area, we commandeered a 2 1/2 ton truck and went to this place and drank waaaaay to much beer. www.kreuzbergbier.de/We brought a keg back down the mountain, too. Luckily we got it through two checkpoints (Russian and East German soldiers never discovered it) and it made it back to Berlin with us. Now, THAT was one helluva PARTAAAAY upon returning.  A very long time ago.... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 13:24:13 GMT
What I was reading is an expression of equanimity. An acknowledgement that love courses through everything. You mean Love (God) expresses itself also as Hitler? Even when one applies the definition Krsnaraja has given of what GOD means: generator, operator, destroyer (Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva), the destroyer (Shiva) isn't like someone like Hitler was. Shiva, once an expert in eastern-mythologie told me, means: The destroyer of the destroyers, the destroyer of wickedness. In that definition Hitler can not be seen as "God godding". Hitler and his regime can only be seen as utterly seperated from God, although maybe acting as "universe unfolding". But then that universe isn't fundamentally benevolent. Therefore the terms "universe unfolding" and "God godding" are not equivalent. They don't mean the same. I heard a relatively famous female spiritual teacher saying, in a youtube video, something like, "some seeming victims had soul-contracts with Hitler." That makes me want to scream, "NO! That's one of the most disgusting justifications of utter evil I've ever came across!" And I don't think that Figgles, by writing that statement, was consciously making such a justifaction. I'm just pointing out how that could sound in the ears of someone who survived the holocaust. It's like saying, "you, on a higher level, picked that kind of destiny for yourself. You just forgot about it. It was all just God godding." If I hear a jewish holocaust surviver saying something like that, that it was all "God godding", that's a different case, of course. And I wouldn't argue with it at all. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 13:41:00 GMT
You mean Love (God) expresses itself also as Hitler? Even when one applies the definition Krsnaraja has given of what GOD means: generator, operator, destroyer (Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva), the destroyer (Shiva) isn't like someone like Hitler was. Shiva, once an expert in eastern-mythologie told me, means: The destroyer of the destroyers, the destroyer of wickedness. In that definition Hitler can not be seen as "God godding". Hitler and his regime can only be seen as utterly seperated from God, although maybe acting as "universe unfolding". But then that universe isn't fundamentally benevolent. Therefore the terms "universe unfolding" and "God godding" are not equivalent. They don't mean the same. I heard a relatively famous female spiritual teacher saying, in a youtube video, something like, "some seeming victims had soul-contracts with Hitler." That makes me want to scream, "NO! That's one of the most disgusting justifications of utter evil I've ever came across!" And I don't think that Figgles, by writing that statement, was consciously making such a justifaction. I'm just pointing out how that could sound in the ears of someone who survived the holocaust. It's like saying, "you, on a higher level, picked that kind of destiny for yourself. You just forgot about it. It was all just God godding." If I hear a jewish holocaust surviver saying something like that, that it was all "God godding", that's a different case, of course. And I wouldn't argue with it at all. Hitler's mind obfuscated the truth of god godding to the nth degree. He obviously wasn't well. Probably saw himself as some kind of second coming figure, or revolutionary force to be reckoned with. I've read he had issues with his catholic schooling/affiliation. Interesting article. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_Nazi_Germany |
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