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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 10:37:43 GMT
I said Awareness is "perceiving act" ! Is that clear now? You can be aware of an object. So that is a perceiving act. But awareness itself is not a perceiving act. You have never understood this. What Awareness is doing when there is no perceiving act? how does this perceiving act returns back when you wake up? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 10:38:11 GMT
Read my original post once again! The question is not about whether we are witnessing the life or not, it's what obviously we do! The question is about witnessing mode.Well then it's an absurd question, because witnessing doesn't have a mode. But I'm sure mind has some self serving plan for making such a distinction for one...  omg |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 10:44:31 GMT
You can be aware of an object. So that is a perceiving act. But awareness itself is not a perceiving act. You have never understood this. What Awareness is doing when there is no perceiving act? how does this perceiving act returns back when you wake up? You don't have to be asleep. You can experience awareness without perceiving in the waking state. You ask how perceiving act returns. I have no idea and nor do you or anyone else. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 13:34:36 GMT
What Awareness is doing when there is no perceiving act? how does this perceiving act returns back when you wake up? You don't have to be asleep. You can experience awareness without perceiving in the waking state. You ask how perceiving act returns. I have no idea and nor do you or anyone else. Waking state is sort of perception, dreaming is sort of perception, knowing awareness is sort of perception. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2017 1:31:44 GMT
You don't have to be asleep. You can experience awareness without perceiving in the waking state. You ask how perceiving act returns. I have no idea and nor do you or anyone else. Waking state is sort of perception, dreaming is sort of perception, knowing awareness is sort of perception. Whatever or whoever knows all that is sort of a perception? How many times do you have to visit this place?  |
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Post by Enigma on Aug 13, 2017 1:20:50 GMT
What you're calling 'trying to get out of a situation so hard' is being applied to mundane things like averting your eyes when a horror scene come on. Based on past conversations I believe it includes anything that you want to change. If you insist on defining that as suffering, then there is no way out of suffering. Not like that, there is a heavy suffering which involves when you see a particular scene! If it's reality, then there is heavy irritation which forces you to pull yourself out of the situation, for an example, a person is being tortured by some group of people. Confronted by an actual torture is way different than being confronted by a gruesome scene on the TV. If you can buy that, I'll address your torture scenario. If one was forced to watch the torture or otherwise unable to act to stop it, it may be fair to call that suffering. Now, what was your point about that before we got distracted? |
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Post by Enigma on Aug 13, 2017 2:52:35 GMT
So if some scenes in movies make you suffer, are you okay with not watching any of those movies? Or would you rather have the suffering so that you can watch the movies? You don't have the choice of not watching movies! If you keep skipping or moving away from there, you would be forced to watch some terrific thing. Say what??  |
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Post by Enigma on Aug 13, 2017 3:39:57 GMT
You're mixing context. You said " You can't be drawn into the story because you are not only watching but creating the story as well". The aspect that is 'drawn into the story' is a personal aspect. The aspect that is creating is an impersonal aspect. It's not true that the personal can't be drawn into the impersonal creation because it can create something else. The personal aspect doesn't create. The impersonal aspect doesn't modify the creation according to personal desire. That's why the waking dream goes on as it does after SR. Introducing too many terms is really confusing. Awareness is the creator and experiencer! Awareness perceives the creation by creating it. Creating is perceiving. It creates in such a way that Awareness would perform actor role when it's in self-delusion or believe itself to be a choice maker, it starts to back away when it realizes the truth that it's task is to witness not to create(No confusion here since I said 'not to create')! Creation and perception are the same, so you can't say Awareness perceives by creating or creates by perceiving. They are a singular event. To perceive is to create. To create is to perceive. Awareness does not create in some contrived way so as to delude itself. Are we clear about that? |
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Post by Enigma on Aug 13, 2017 3:43:24 GMT
What you're calling 'trying to get out of a situation so hard' is being applied to mundane things like averting your eyes when a horror scene come on. Based on past conversations I believe it includes anything that you want to change. If you insist on defining that as suffering, then there is no way out of suffering. I know when I suffer! It's a kind of internal pain I want to escape no matter whether I am watching a real event or watching in a movie. Movement of appearance has the power to pull me in.Perhaps a bit of maturity and self discipline will pull you out. Seriously, nothing really has to change in order to relieve such horrific suffering. Edit: Actually, I wonder if this is connected to your interest in the witnessing mode. There was a time when I became permanently established in what you call the 'witness mode', and since that time, I have no startle response, and movies cannot 'draw me in' to shock, disgust or frighten me. I'm literally watching myself go through my day from outside the thought/feeling movement of mind. |
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Post by Enigma on Aug 13, 2017 4:10:40 GMT
Yes, 'awareness' is a doing for you, for me, it is a beingness.We disagree, but I think I can still ask you about the suffering. You don't have any way to know yourself to be a being. You can know anything only when you perceive. You can know objects only when you perceive. |
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