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Post by Enigma on Jul 16, 2017 2:18:13 GMT
I'm trying to understand you. You say you don't buy into non duality, but then you say non duality only applies in the realization itself. So you do buy into it? I'm confused. Here's a question that emerges from that. If I know non dual awareness, then how am I able to speak about it dualistically with my mind. It's not a trick question because to be honest with you I have no idea really why that is. All I know is that I'm free of the bondage of self. I'm at peace. That's enough. But then there are times when I want to try and put it into words for no particular reason. Non duality points to the realisation itself where there is only what you are beyond any self reflection and such likes . This only points to what non duality refers too . In the realisation itself there is no duality / non duality . So when peeps of our self reflective / dual reality start to speak about their non dual nature I don't buy it . I don't buy it that no-one is here and such likes . That too only relates to the realisation itself . The whole quandary regarding being able to speak about non dual awareness is because the moment one speaks of it one is of dual awareness . You can't have a chat about non duality from the point of non duality, it's why when there is the realisation beyond mind, there is not the thought of it . One cannot be conscious of dreaming and talk to their waking partner about the dream as it's happening .But they can talk to their dreaming partner, which would be the correct analogy. |
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Post by Enigma on Jul 16, 2017 2:46:56 GMT
... Individualisation happens because there is the happening of it . There is the journey back to totality so it seems as if the journey and all that entails is key . So, suffering as well happens because there is the happening of it, essentially. Happiness is a good tenkatology.  |
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Post by Enigma on Jul 16, 2017 2:57:06 GMT
It's the only connection . The connection is based upon the realisation that there can be what you are and no I am . When there is no I am and there is what you are there is the indescribable love / bliss / peace blah blah blah . Tis never the same when there is awareness of I am that is blissful . Can you entertain that I am can be immensely happy and at peace and still be suffering? It's hard to digest butt it's true . You don't have to buy it, I am not a salesman You may think that, but it is impossible to be immensely happy, at peace and still be suffering in the same moment.  Obviously you can't have positive thoughts and negative feelings at the same time. Right. Impossible. |
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Post by Tenka on Jul 16, 2017 9:28:45 GMT
It's the only connection . The connection is based upon the realisation that there can be what you are and no I am . When there is no I am and there is what you are there is the indescribable love / bliss / peace blah blah blah . Tis never the same when there is awareness of I am that is blissful . Can you entertain that I am can be immensely happy and at peace and still be suffering? It's hard to digest butt it's true . You don't have to buy it, I am not a salesman You may think that, but it is impossible to be immensely happy, at peace and still be suffering in the same moment. Obviously you can't have positive thoughts and negative feelings at the same time. All what you are saying / referring too is I am based . The bliss bunny that is the realisation itself pertains to no I am . The difference lies within I am and no I am . You can't squeeze all the bliss bunny juices in totality through an individual sense of I am happy . The realisation of what you are is love in totality, not I am love . Again, by your own admission you can't know that you can't have positive thoughts and negative feelings at the same time . |
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Post by Tenka on Jul 16, 2017 9:31:54 GMT
Non duality points to the realisation itself where there is only what you are beyond any self reflection and such likes . This only points to what non duality refers too . In the realisation itself there is no duality / non duality . So when peeps of our self reflective / dual reality start to speak about their non dual nature I don't buy it . I don't buy it that no-one is here and such likes . That too only relates to the realisation itself . The whole quandary regarding being able to speak about non dual awareness is because the moment one speaks of it one is of dual awareness . You can't have a chat about non duality from the point of non duality, it's why when there is the realisation beyond mind, there is not the thought of it . One cannot be conscious of dreaming and talk to their waking partner about the dream as it's happening .But they can talk to their dreaming partner, which would be the correct analogy. My point is that it can't be done . You can't be dreaming of eating cake and be telling your partner who is a wake that the cream buns are tasty . You can't reach over for one and say here you go misses and she takes it from you . The realisation itself where there is no-one per se, is in the same vein . One can't therefore be speaking / referring to non duality while no-one is present . Non duality doesn't exist while you are presently engaging with this world / reality . It doesn't exist beyond duality either lol . |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 15:53:19 GMT
You may think that, but it is impossible to be immensely happy, at peace and still be suffering in the same moment. Obviously you can't have positive thoughts and negative feelings at the same time. All what you are saying / referring too is I am based . The bliss bunny that is the realisation itself pertains to no I am . The difference lies within I am and no I am . You can't squeeze all the bliss bunny juices in totality through an individual sense of I am happy . The realisation of what you are is love in totality, not I am love . Again, by your own admission you can't know that you can't have positive thoughts and negative feelings at the same time . Again, it's not knowing that you can't, it's simply the 'way' it is. Duality is either one opposite or the other in each moment. Up and down, light and dark, happy and sad cannot appear in the same moment. It can switch to it's opposite in the next moment, but they do not occupy the same space. Is this something new to you? |
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Post by Tenka on Jul 16, 2017 18:34:49 GMT
All what you are saying / referring too is I am based . The bliss bunny that is the realisation itself pertains to no I am . The difference lies within I am and no I am . You can't squeeze all the bliss bunny juices in totality through an individual sense of I am happy . The realisation of what you are is love in totality, not I am love . Again, by your own admission you can't know that you can't have positive thoughts and negative feelings at the same time . Duality is either one opposite or the other in each moment. Up and down, light and dark, happy and sad cannot appear in the same moment. It can switch to it's opposite in the next moment, but they do not occupy the same space. Is this something new to you? The way it is, is known by the experience of it . Gravity is the way it is, the sun is hot, that's the way it is . You experience, dreams, gravity, and the heat of the sun, then you either believe the experience or you don't . Either way you will entertain a belief system ... That's how and why you speak of what you believe regarding it's simply the way it is . |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 22:35:37 GMT
Again, it's not knowing that you can't, it's simply the 'way' it is. Duality is either one opposite or the other in each moment. Up and down, light and dark, happy and sad cannot appear in the same moment. It can switch to it's opposite in the next moment, but they do not occupy the same space. Is this something new to you? The way it is, is known by the experience of it . Gravity is the way it is, the sun is hot, that's the way it is . You experience, dreams, gravity, and the heat of the sun, then you either believe the experience or you don't . Either way you will entertain a belief system ... That's how and why you speak of what you believe regarding it's simply the way it is . No it isn't. The way it is, has been around for billions of years. Long before a smart ape came along with his beliefs about the way it is. Try to percieve how things 'are' existentially, and not how they are in your head. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 22:38:09 GMT
It's the only connection . The connection is based upon the realisation that there can be what you are and no I am . When there is no I am and there is what you are there is the indescribable love / bliss / peace blah blah blah . Tis never the same when there is awareness of I am that is blissful . Can you entertain that I am can be immensely happy and at peace and still be suffering? It's hard to digest butt it's true . You don't have to buy it, I am not a salesman No, I can't entertain that. I don't have reference. Neither do I, but if that's what's happening in his world, it's cool with me. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 23:11:59 GMT
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