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Post by muttley on Aug 29, 2019 1:54:40 GMT
As far as reefs and zd go, a dialog takes two sides, and in my opinion, you're not really quite as open as you say, although, of course, it's your mind, so I won't debate that. Now, factually speaking, it seems an objective point that neither reefs nor zd are all that interested in engaging in the dialogs you're offering. Is that true, if so, why do you think that is? I don't think that zd likes to stray too far from his comfort zone and reefs gets to a kind of breaking point when challenged and there is no greater fearless challenger than figgles, God bless her. 😀 No doubt that she's walkin' her talk tonight, sure.  Sorry, not interested in your opinions of r&z. |
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Post by Figgles on Aug 29, 2019 5:11:09 GMT
As far as reefs and zd go, a dialog takes two sides, and in my opinion, you're not really quite as open as you say, although, of course, it's your mind, so I won't debate that. Now, factually speaking, it seems an objective point that neither reefs nor zd are all that interested in engaging in the dialogs you're offering. Is that true, if so, why do you think that is? I don't think that zd likes to stray too far from his comfort zone and reefs gets to a kind of breaking point when challenged and there is no greater fearless challenger than figgles, God bless her. 😀   |
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Post by Figgles on Aug 29, 2019 5:19:21 GMT
Not just my challenges, no. They respond similarly when others challenge them as well. They love being the authority...most of their posts are of that variety....and they have no problem jumping in to 'correct' someone, but as soon as valid challenge arises, they shy away, either through diversion or outright refusal to directly engage. ok, well, what if you're wrong about them being " scared sh!tless"? Aren't there other explanations as well, that are just as plausible? And doesn't this idea that these challenges -- some of which are generated by you -- are making them frightened and evasive .. doesn't that idea paint you in a certain light? Such as? How many explanations are there for someone who is fine with challenging/correcting the view another, but shy away when that challenge is turned back on them? "not liking" challenge generally has fear at it's basis, doesn't it? They claim disinterest, but their own challenge/correcting pointed outwards, as well as their continued indirect comment say otherwise. And regarding their evasiveness of my challenge painting me in a certain light....I think that's pretty obvious. I can dish it out pretty good, that said, I also very much enjoy being challenged. As I've said many times, I don't really get why someone would come to spiritual forums for conversations and not be up for challenge. |
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Post by Figgles on Aug 29, 2019 5:21:34 GMT
I don't think that zd likes to stray too far from his comfort zone and reefs gets to a kind of breaking point when challenged and there is no greater fearless challenger than figgles, God bless her. 😀 No doubt that she's walkin' her talk tonight, sure. Sorry, not interested in your opinions of r&z.Why not? |
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Post by muttley on Aug 29, 2019 5:36:53 GMT
ok, well, what if you're wrong about them being " scared sh!tless"? Aren't there other explanations as well, that are just as plausible? And doesn't this idea that these challenges -- some of which are generated by you -- are making them frightened and evasive .. doesn't that idea paint you in a certain light? Such as? How many explanations are there for someone who is fine with challenging/correcting the view another, but shy away when that challenge is turned back on them? "not liking" challenge generally has fear at it's basis, doesn't it? They claim disinterest, but their own challenge/correcting pointed outwards, as well as their continued indirect comment say otherwise. And regarding their evasiveness of my challenge painting me in a certain light....I think that's pretty obvious. I can dish it out pretty good, that said, I also very much enjoy being challenged. As I've said many times, I don't really get why someone would come to spiritual forums for conversations and not be up for challenge. They really, just might not, genuinely, be interested in the opinions you express as part of what you consider to be pure challenge. 
Doesn't this whole affair paint you in a certain light that has the potential to reinforce a positive sense of personal identity?
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Post by muttley on Aug 29, 2019 5:37:27 GMT
No doubt that she's walkin' her talk tonight, sure. Sorry, not interested in your opinions of r&z.Why not? Because I consider his mind to be far too disordered for the opinions to be meaningful. |
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Post by Figgles on Aug 29, 2019 5:54:39 GMT
They really, just might not, genuinely, be interested in the opinions you express as part of what you consider to be pure challenge. The continued indirect reference and counter to the challenges I make, say otherwise. Hmmmm....lets see now; If I say yes, you will likely run with that to conclude that I am in fact identified with a particular idea/image, and if I say no, you'll conclude that I am blind to mind's shenanigans...? |
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Post by muttley on Aug 29, 2019 6:00:44 GMT
They really, just might not, genuinely, be interested in the opinions you express as part of what you consider to be pure challenge. The continued indirect reference and counter to the challenges I make, say otherwise. Hmmmm....lets see now; If I say yes, you will likely run with that to conclude that I am in fact identified with a particular idea/image, and if I say no, you'll conclude that I am blind to mind's shenanigans...? Caught the trapper layin' a trap. Well done.  .. but seriously, bottom-line: I ain't challengin' yer realization status, but spiritual ego is a thing, it's hard to see it in ourselves, and from the outside looking in, you really do ".. ♪ goin' at z-r like a missile ♫ .. ♫ an' their just like hey .. are u o.k. ♪  ?? " |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 12:55:27 GMT
Well, I wish you the best with that. (** tee hee **) So by forum stats you're going by visitor views? Thing is, that number goes up linearly with volume of posts. What happens when the food-fights get revv'd is that the ratio of views/posts actually starts going way down. In contrast, sometimes, there can be a spike in views when it's relatively quiet, and all that said, I was referring more to a qualitative measure of what people say they're interested in, and the opinions that get expressed as a result of and at the end of the dialogs.
Sure, our convos (Satchi and I) have not been without issue, but his approach is far more direct and definitely better than the defensive, pussy-ass crap I get from ZD and Reefs. They continue to address the points I make, just in a manner that suggests they'd do well to strap a pair of these on:  BEEP!!! BEEEEEEEP! LET'S GO ROWAN!!!!! TEE TIME IS 9:05 AM!!!!!! ALL RIGHT...... ALL RIGHT......I'M COMING.... grab a couple of sleeves of balls out of that new box of Titleists on the table, and........ what the hell happened to my new golf ba..... BILLY!! SATCH!!! FIGS!!!! WE GOTTA TALK WHEN I RETURN!!!!.... $47 bucks a dozen.... BEEEEEEEP! BEEEEP! BEEEEEEEP!!!! Yeah yeah... You Know What You Can Do With That Horn, RIGHT?!!!! |
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Post by Enigma on Aug 29, 2019 14:29:02 GMT
To keep doing what, acknowledging progress?  Hey, maybe Shaun should give him a raise. Like maybe even double his pay?  It takes time and attention to keep track of what's going on, especially, you have to figure, he likely had multiple private dialogs happening at the same time. Then he has to eventually make a decision about what to do, one that's never going to please everyone and likely will displease most everyone to one degree or another. I don't deny the effort involved, and I know how thankless it is. Did it myself a couple times back in the day. That's why you never saw me volunteering.  |
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Sorry, not interested in your opinions of r&z.
.. but seriously, bottom-line: I ain't challengin' yer realization status, but spiritual ego is a thing, it's hard to see it in ourselves, and from the outside looking in, you really do ".. ♪ goin' at z-r like a missile ♫ .. ♫ an' their just like hey .. are u o.k. ♪ 
