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Post by muttley on Aug 26, 2019 23:29:47 GMT
There's a potential for the dialog on this forum to elevate far beyond it's origins, just as there's a potential for the dialog on ST to elevate as well. I don't have any illusions that the last few things I've written here gravitate toward that possibility. I've also seen glimpses of the potential over on ST at various times. And in what I'm imagining and in those glimpses that I've caught, noone need hold their tongue. "Elevate" how? Circles cease after the 2nd lap, personal drama that burns out as soon as it flares instead of festering, smouldering and constantly relighting, universal mutual respect. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 3:24:14 GMT
Well, the drama over there these days is gonna' put some demand on his attention. Guy's tryin' to do a difficult job. It doesn't help if we start sniping back at the ST dialog with content (like figs did here) that reminisces to the bad old days of the Unmoderated section.  I'd say that rowan is the only one of us that's earned the right to do that by refraining from any ST posts.  This forum was created in response to the restriction of speech at ST, so I think it's safe to say making that job easier isn't really a concern here. As for the difficult job he's taken on, it may be difficult because virtually everyone is participating in the petafrogery that he wants to stop in their name, and little else seems to galvanize attention. He doesn't have anything beyond verbal support for that mission, which I suspect is more of a posturing for the moral high ground than an actual interest in a different kind of conversation. As I mentioned again recently, there really isn't any spiritual work going on in either forum. Mostly, it's mental and emotional preparatory work for any potential serious seeking. As such, it can get messy, as you know. I'm not really interested in sharing enlightenment experiences, or playing seeker to a group of self appointed sages, so frog petting is what I'm left with. yes. Well said! |
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Post by Figgles on Aug 27, 2019 4:26:24 GMT
Circles cease after the 2nd lap, personal drama that burns out as soon as it flares instead of festering, smouldering and constantly relighting, universal mutual respect. While that describes a nice forum atmosphere, it's not something that can be forced...even with the most subtle of nudgings. Sometimes the 3rd, or hell, even the 333rd lap has it's place....and if/when personal drama arises, from the right vantage point it can be seen as a gift/opportunity of sorts....a lack of mutual respect is a great launching point for the arising of mutual respect. |
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Post by muttley on Aug 27, 2019 4:48:39 GMT
Circles cease after the 2nd lap, personal drama that burns out as soon as it flares instead of festering, smouldering and constantly relighting, universal mutual respect. While that describes a nice forum atmosphere, it's not something that can be forced...even with the most subtle of nudgings. Sometimes the 3rd, or hell, even the 333rd lap has it's place....and if/when personal drama arises, from the right vantage point it can be seen as a gift/opportunity of sorts....a lack of mutual respect is a great launching point for the arising of mutual respect. Right, I didn't suggest or even mean to infer otherwise. Rather, it was just a comment on an unrealized potential.
The repetition is inevitable, but the higher the frequency, the less value it has, other than for someone stuck in a loop to suddenly realize that's what's going on. There's no shortage of contempt in the world, the potential is there for an elevation that isn't part of an endless see-saw. It's not really necessary for a collective dialog to constantly scrape a relatively lower level of human nature, so much, really. That said, I do have to opine that there seems to be a floor to that, even in this group, that the wider culture just plunges right through, on a regular basis.
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Post by Figgles on Aug 27, 2019 5:05:41 GMT
While that describes a nice forum atmosphere, it's not something that can be forced...even with the most subtle of nudgings. Sometimes the 3rd, or hell, even the 333rd lap has it's place....and if/when personal drama arises, from the right vantage point it can be seen as a gift/opportunity of sorts....a lack of mutual respect is a great launching point for the arising of mutual respect. Right, I didn't suggest or even mean to infer otherwise. Rather, it was just a comment on an unrealized potential. The repetition is inevitable, but the higher the frequency, the less value it has, other than for someone stuck in a loop to suddenly realize that's what's going on. There's no shortage of contempt in the world, the potential is there for an elevation that isn't part of an endless see-saw. It's not really necessary for a collective dialog to constantly scrape a relatively lower level of human nature, so much, really. That said, I do have to opine that there seems to be a floor to that, even in this group, that the wider culture just plunges right through, on a regular basis.
I dunno....I think if one comes to these forums with values in tow that judge 'repetition' or even a bit of heat to be somehow even a little bit problematic, that itself is gonna get in the way of the conversational flow. But yeah, to the bolded I'd agree. |
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Post by muttley on Aug 27, 2019 5:19:51 GMT
Right, I didn't suggest or even mean to infer otherwise. Rather, it was just a comment on an unrealized potential. The repetition is inevitable, but the higher the frequency, the less value it has, other than for someone stuck in a loop to suddenly realize that's what's going on. There's no shortage of contempt in the world, the potential is there for an elevation that isn't part of an endless see-saw. It's not really necessary for a collective dialog to constantly scrape a relatively lower level of human nature, so much, really. That said, I do have to opine that there seems to be a floor to that, even in this group, that the wider culture just plunges right through, on a regular basis.
I dunno....I think if one comes to these forums with values in tow that judge 'repetition' or even a bit of heat to be somehow even a little bit problematic, that itself is gonna get in the way of the conversational flow. But yeah, to the bolded I'd agree. They're not problems, just what happens, and nah, a vision for what I opine is a more elevated conversation don't get in the way 'o nothin'.  |
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Post by Figgles on Aug 27, 2019 5:21:05 GMT
I dunno....I think if one comes to these forums with values in tow that judge 'repetition' or even a bit of heat to be somehow even a little bit problematic, that itself is gonna get in the way of the conversational flow. But yeah, to the bolded I'd agree. They're not problems, just what happens, and nah, a vision for what I opine is a more elevated conversation don't get in the way 'o nothin'. Good to hear. |
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Post by Enigma on Aug 27, 2019 11:57:41 GMT
This forum was created in response to the restriction of speech at ST, so I think it's safe to say making that job easier isn't really a concern here. As for the difficult job he's taken on, it may be difficult because virtually everyone is participating in the petafrogery that he wants to stop in their name, and little else seems to galvanize attention. He doesn't have anything beyond verbal support for that mission, which I suspect is more of a posturing for the moral high ground than an actual interest in a different kind of conversation. As I mentioned again recently, there really isn't any spiritual work going on in either forum. Mostly, it's mental and emotional preparatory work for any potential serious seeking. As such, it can get messy, as you know. I'm not really interested in sharing enlightenment experiences, or playing seeker to a group of self appointed sages, so frog petting is what I'm left with. yes. Well said! And now even frog petting is not allowed. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 13:25:35 GMT
Oh, good, at least I'm not the only evil one.   oo... vewy vewy evil!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 13:47:52 GMT
And now even frog petting is not allowed. His character is destined that way. I knew this very long back but when you were close friend of him once you did not notice that. Now you are noticing the truth that he has not known or realized not even a single thing . |
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