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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2023 4:38:34 GMT
So why were you banned? When all's said and done its Reefs forum so he can do what he likes. I couldn't care less really. I actually prefer the Facebook groups like Enlightenment Now and Advaita and non-duality because there's a much wider range of opinions from many more participants. I wasn't told, but you can see the thread. I tell him I think he's full of it about the cancer/alignment stuff. He gets worked up and tells me I'm too worked up. Then I made the Nurse Ratched reference to you, and that was my last post. Technically I don't think he owns the forum. So if people wanted to get rid of him, they probably could. I'll check out those other groups. For now I'm probably fine with nothing for a while. you're right he doesn't technically own it a guy called Peter does but he doesn't really participate. ZD is also a moderator but he will never go against reefs so I guess reefs is the defacto owner. He decides who goes. The advantage of forums like ST and figgles forum is that you can have long form discussions in quite some detail that can go on for a long time. On Facebook that doesn't tend to happen. People just drift in and out. lots of flippant remarks that don't go anywhere, but sometimes you can get into meaningful discussions, so that's essentially the difference. |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 4, 2023 4:40:02 GMT
Sree got banned about a month ago. There was no announcement or reason, but he got a warning in that LOA thread. It was after that comedy situation I told you about. I asked Reefs if he could use deliberate creation to swim faster than a dolphin. It went downhill fast. Sree kept talking about Reefs' behavior and then suddenly disappeared. Eventually someone asked where he was, and Reefs said he had banned him, I think for a month. I may only have a month too, but it doesn't tell me. I just get an empty screen that says "you are banned from this forum". So why were you banned? When all's said and done its Reefs forum so he can do what he likes. I couldn't care less really. I actually prefer the Facebook groups like Enlightenment Now and Advaita and non-duality because there's a much wider range of opinions from many more participants. Funny thing is, don't think many know this, but Reefs was just a regular poster who volunteered to moderate the forum. The one who created the forum is Shawn Nevins....there's an ST website that operates in tandem with the forum that shawn blogs on; www.spiritualteachers.org/shawn-nevins/Way back a bunch of us tried to speak to Shawn about the moderating issues, but it was clear that he's just not very interested in the workings of the forum....seems happy enough to leave it up so those who enjoy using it can continue to do so...but other than that, he's hands off. I think ZD and maybe Peter still have mod status there too...? Not entirely sure. It's very clear at this point though that Reefs has taken the reins and is just running the forum however she sees fit. |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 4, 2023 6:19:20 GMT
I know Zendancer is a real person, but do you know the other admin(s) over there, "Peter". I think it's just the three of them. (?) He's never around, and today he logs into talk about that "Seth" psychic medium stuff. 🤔 Yeah, saw that...agree, strange timing for Peter to suddenly appear on the scene, all supportive of the Seth stuff that Reefs is so fond of. I know Zendancer really isn't into that material at all....and I know damned well how he feels about the whole LOA thing and trying to paint Niz/Ramana as mentally/emotionally deficient somehow for getting cancer, but he rarely speaks up when there are conflicting alliances in play....I know for some time now he and Reefs have been on the same page...sort of teaming up at times to dodge direct challenges and such and I imagine he doesn't want that to end...most know that if they directly challenge Reefs, she gets really pissed and there are consequences of some kind to pay....that said, I was told that at one point, Reefs was actually up for letting me back on forum, ending my years long banning, but it was Zendancer who vetoed that and said 'no way.' Regardless....Doesn't look the ST gates are gonna be opened for Figgles anytime soon.  |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 12, 2023 19:19:35 GMT
What constitutes a 'bad' feeling though? Isn't it just mind...a personal judgment applied to an arising/falling feeling/sense that denotes it as such?
This is what changes in awakening; Feelings are just feelings. There is no knee-jerk, mind's rush to judge a particular arising feeling. No feeling is inherently 'bad'...absent that overlay of judgment, there can be seen a beauty in the entire gamut of up and down movement of feeling.
Instead of dividing feelings into categories then, of good vs. bad, feeling is seen more as a generalized facet of experience....feelings of course arise and fall as variations with that general movement, however, there's no longer that concise, specified focus upon a singular feeling that then equals that overlay of personal judgment that denotes a particular feeling as wrong/bad/should not be arising.
It's quite amazing how fleeting and unsticky feelings truly are when that overlay of judgement and categorization is not applied to them.
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Post by Figgles on Jan 12, 2023 19:34:08 GMT
Believe it or not SDP, there IS this thing called SR, whereby there is a shift in locus of seeing that renders the 'me person' as imagined ground to arising awareness to be nothing more than delusion...an illusion....whereby it becomes crystal clear that the me person and all other persons are but arising appearances within/to the ground of awareness.
When that inherent emptiness of all appearance is seen/realized, the very question of trying to ascertain an absolute answer as to whether or not appearing people are actually consciously aware, is seen as misconceived.
No thing has inherent fundamental existence...no-thing has abiding nature. Only awareness itself does.
Gopal, SDP, Figgles, are not "actually" giving rise to awareness/being aware, rather, awareness is giving rise to G-S-F.
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Post by Figgles on Jan 13, 2023 21:02:00 GMT
The end of separation does mean the end of a depth of personal judgment that extends to the fundamental level, but it does not mean the end of all caring, likes/dislikes/feeling/caring/interest.
You and Reefs are both suggesting that when the SVP gets seen through...when ALL separation gets seen through, when it's thus seen that appearing people have no independent existence in their own right, are appearance only, that that should therefore mean that there's no longer any interest in or caring for or about those appearances.
It demonstrates that neither or you have reference for what it means to see through separation...to see appearance as empty of inherent existence.
Caring remains....however, the caring is no longer bloated up with the baggage of an entity that is mistaken to have it's own separate, inherent existence. There is no suffering attached to the caring....it's free....it's not the domain of a separate person/an entity.
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Post by Figgles on Jan 13, 2023 21:06:45 GMT
Do you know the similarities between a character that appears in a movie vs. a family member in 'real life'?
Waking up to see that essentially, the Tenka character AND all the people he loves, and the character in the movie Tenka watches, are fundamentally absent their own inherent existence, and ultimately are 'appearance only,' does not mean the end of being able to relatively speaking, distinguish between a movie character vs. putting your daughter to bed.
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Post by Figgles on Jan 13, 2023 21:14:16 GMT
The problem with your current ontology is that you are personifying/personalization that which is beyond/prior to such...beyond all and any, traits, property, quality.
"Writers and readers" appear within the story. That which gives rise to the unfolding...to all that appears, is not "A" writer...not a creator....not a thinker....not a planner....not "an" anything that mind can get it's grubby little tenterhooks into to try to mentally grasp 'what it is.'
Awareness as the ground to all that appears...to all perceivables, is not in possession of it's own "will." That is a personification of awareness....which defies such.
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Post by Figgles on Jan 13, 2023 21:17:25 GMT
 Doesn't the very fact that he is making a distinction betwteen them say that the answer to that question is 'yes'? Not sure Tenka if you're just being lazy when it comes to logic, but you provide a really good example of how mind seems to lose even it's ability to some degree to function properly in the face of trying to argue against Truth.
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Post by Figgles on Jan 13, 2023 21:23:21 GMT
When the locus of seeing extends far enough back/beyond/prior to perceivables/appearance, even that "me" that you are now so very certain to be the one who is 'perceiving/experiencing' gets seen itself, for/as a perceivable.
Ultimately, there is just seeing....no-thing...no-one THAT is doing it.
The one who seems to be 'doing the seeing,' is itself, the seen/appearance.
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