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Post by Figgles on Feb 11, 2024 20:28:09 GMT
This one with Alan Watts is interesting.....what sounds to be some very nondual pointers, but then there's a context mix....he points beyond the dream and then immediately heads straight back into it....displays a good conceptual grasp of "Oneness," but quite clearly has invoked the "Oneness blob" model vs. a true seeing/realizing from beyond/prior to that equals an absence.
Even within that though, makes some good, thought provoking, metaphysical, mystically based points.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2024 22:17:29 GMT
(he) clearly has invoked the "Oneness blob" model vs. a true seeing/realizing from beyond/prior to that equals an absence There is no absence in the presence of attachments to body, mind, thoughts, feelings, ideas or rules made up to satisfy one's egoic self. |
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Post by Figgles on Feb 11, 2024 22:28:05 GMT
(he) clearly has invoked the "Oneness blob" model vs. a true seeing/realizing from beyond/prior to that equals an absence There is no absence in the presence of attachments to body, mind, thoughts, feelings, ideas or rules made up to satisfy one's egoic self. Agreed. The thing is though, it's ego that will invent and erroneously imagine an attempt to 'satisfy an egoic self' in an apparent other/other's actions/behaviors, where sometimes there isn't any. All attachments to the temporally appearing, involves ego. A strong interest to prop up an erroneous Absolute knowing regarding a particular appearance, because the idea of "not knowing" is simply intolerable, has at it's crux, that very "presence of attachment to body, mind, feelings, ideas/mind-satisfying rules", that you mention there. Post awakening, a body-mind, thoughts, feelings, ideas and judgments all continue to appear/arise. It's just that now, there's no identification with them....no mistaking any of those for Absolute/inherently existent...aka..."Truth." |
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Post by Figgles on Feb 11, 2024 22:58:10 GMT
An excellent Spira video where he perfectly describes that an Absolute knowing of multiple experiencrs/perceivers a 'presentation of religious materialism'...assumption mistaken for Truth....an idea widely accepted by a society that 'believes the idea that consciousness is a product of and limited by/to the body' Around the 17:53 point, he begins with the movie screen metaphor...so good....love how he points! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2024 23:46:43 GMT
The thing is though, it's ego that will invent and erroneously imagine an attempt to 'satisfy an egoic self' in an apparent other/other's actions/behaviors, where sometimes there isn't any. But here is one right here... I would completely agree with that IF we were not talking specifically about a forum supposedly dedicated to Truth "at all costs." That's what a sincere interest towards Truth entails....complete willingness to hold your views up to the glaring light of scrutiny, even when it gets uncomfy. Can you not see that this is an idea, a very strong idea, and one that you are attached to very, very tightly? |
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Post by Figgles on Feb 12, 2024 0:54:52 GMT
The thing is though, it's ego that will invent and erroneously imagine an attempt to 'satisfy an egoic self' in an apparent other/other's actions/behaviors, where sometimes there isn't any. But here is one right here... I would completely agree with that IF we were not talking specifically about a forum supposedly dedicated to Truth "at all costs." That's what a sincere interest towards Truth entails....complete willingness to hold your views up to the glaring light of scrutiny, even when it gets uncomfy. Can you not see that this is an idea, a very strong idea, and one that you are attached to very, very tightly? By the same token then, is it correct to say that YOU are very, very tightly attached to the the idea that I am attached to that idea? Does every strong assertion made constitute a 'very, very tightly held attachment'? That is an idea, indeed, but it has at it's helm the seeing through of separation/SVP and the hindsight of recall that harkens back to the ways in which an SVP will rebel against having it's most sacred beliefs challenged. Do you disagree with the assertion that the seeking SVP will often fight tooth and nail NOT to answer...to run and hide...to ban those asking the questions, when it's most sacred beliefs are challenged? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2024 1:05:42 GMT
Does every strong assertion made constitute a 'very, very tightly held attachment'? Assertions? Not necessarily, but every "guiding principle" one listens to in their head and follows like a script, yes. There is no emptiness in that. Zero. It's choke fullness. Full of self, ego, svp or whatever term you want to call it. |
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Post by Figgles on Feb 12, 2024 1:43:29 GMT
Does every strong assertion made constitute a 'very, very tightly held attachment'? Assertions? Not necessarily, but every "guiding principle" one listens to in their head and follows like a script, yes. There is no emptiness in that. Zero. It's choke fullness. Full of self, ego, svp or whatever term you want to call it. The assertion that having a sincere interest in Truth "necessarily" means being open to deep and direct challenge of ideas, does not fit the bill you are trying to write here, q. I could pull up numerous Nonduality guru quotes that assert the same....would you assign the same "adherence to script....choke fullness...full of self, ego, svp", to those? I doubt it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2024 1:50:31 GMT
Assertions? Not necessarily, but every "guiding principle" one listens to in their head and follows like a script, yes. There is no emptiness in that. Zero. It's choke fullness. Full of self, ego, svp or whatever term you want to call it. The assertion that having a sincere interest in Truth "necessarily" means being open to deep and direct challenge of ideas, does not fit the bill you are trying to write here, q. I could pull up numerous Nonduality guru quotes that assert the same....would you assign the same "adherence to script....choke fullness...full of self, ego, svp", to those? I doubt it. Gurus don't have mental attachments. That is what freedom is all about. Just becuase you dress up yours as something noble and all wrapped up in spiritual garb doesn't change the fact that its an attachment. Let it go.  |
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Post by Figgles on Feb 12, 2024 6:05:54 GMT
The assertion that having a sincere interest in Truth "necessarily" means being open to deep and direct challenge of ideas, does not fit the bill you are trying to write here, q. I could pull up numerous Nonduality guru quotes that assert the same....would you assign the same "adherence to script....choke fullness...full of self, ego, svp", to those? I doubt it. Gurus don't have mental attachments. That is what freedom is all about. Just becuase you dress up yours as something noble and all wrapped up in spiritual garb doesn't change the fact that its an attachment. Let it go. By what means are you able to denote the assertion of what you deem to be "a guru" and thus, "not an attachment" from an assertion is IS an attachment? How certain are you of your ability to know for certain that an assertion = attachment and when it does not? |
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