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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 18:08:13 GMT
Do you impersonally take this woman to be your lawfully wedded wife.......  I am not sure whether you understood what's the meaning of Impersonal Consciousness and Personal Consciousness. Consciousness is perceiver of thoughts and perception, when Consciousness believes itself to be a human or when it believes itself to be living inside the body, it identifies itself to be a person. But consciousness has never been person and never will be no matter whatever belief it has! I have no understanding of this at all. As tenka would say, you can only be what you are. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 19:00:44 GMT
I am not sure whether you understood what's the meaning of Impersonal Consciousness and Personal Consciousness. Consciousness is perceiver of thoughts and perception, when Consciousness believes itself to be a human or when it believes itself to be living inside the body, it identifies itself to be a person. But consciousness has never been person and never will be no matter whatever belief it has! I have no understanding of this at all. As tenka would say, you can only be what you are. What's there to understand? How can you be SR if you do know the meaning of SR? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 20:09:38 GMT
Okay then. Now, since we've established all that is, and our wisdom is through the roof. Could that epiphany improve my personal life in any way? That's the best possible question anyone could ask. What will enlightenment do for me? The worst possible answer would be, there's no one who gets enlightened. Yes, the seeking of spirituality and peace are only for disturbed minds. If one stops messing himself up, peace and happiness are already here.  |
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Post by Enigma on Jun 23, 2017 23:51:58 GMT
If you're interested in practical purposes, the person should be punished for his misdeads. If you're interested in the underlying truth of the matter, the person is innocent. It's not that clear-cut. Anyway, who -really- cares about the truth? There's nothing more irrelevant than the truth.That's false. "The truth shall set you free". |
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Post by Enigma on Jun 23, 2017 23:57:49 GMT
You asked. So I explained that it's not some kind of imagined story, he is explaining what's happening. Your explanation of enigma's belief is pure storytelling. There's nothing experiential in this. You can't trust your experience. Most of it is illusion. |
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Post by Enigma on Jun 24, 2017 0:00:16 GMT
If man were volitional, he could rightly be held accountable. Alas... So, we are not to confidently admonish human for his troubles, are we? His troubles are not his fault. |
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Post by Enigma on Jun 24, 2017 0:03:17 GMT
The personal is an expression of the impersonal, which I'm calling Intelligence. As such, they aren't separate. We can say illusions and ignorance are the result of Intelligence functioning from within it's own creation. (God falling into his own dream) Okay then. Now, since we've established all that is, and our wisdom is through the roof. Could that epiphany improve my personal life in any way? If it helps you to let go of your judgment, definitely. |
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Post by Enigma on Jun 24, 2017 0:11:40 GMT
Your explanation of enigma's belief is pure storytelling. There's nothing experiential in this. Where do I go wrong? You are perceiving,right? You have identified yourself as person,right? Theo is angry about spiritual teachings that have failed him, and he's taken a cynical approach to all of it, which is fine as long as there is there is still the openness to the truth. If the truth is of no importance to him, that's a deal breaker in terms of discussion. |
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Post by Enigma on Jun 24, 2017 0:14:14 GMT
The personal aspect never disappears despite many non dualists favouring the impersonal over the personal and being attracted to the idea in a very "personal" way. , when consciousness looks at a thought, it starts to believe itself to be a person and this particular view point has it's own preferences. So Consciousness is not personal it's Impersonal, when it starts to looks the perception, personal comes into view. Hencely, personal and impersonal. |
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Post by Enigma on Jun 24, 2017 0:15:37 GMT
There is no impersonal and personal, when consciousness looks at a thought, it starts to believe itself to be a person and this particular view point has it's own preferences. So Consciousness is not personal it's Impersonal, when it starts to looks the perception, personal comes into view. Is that your personal opinion? That's his impersonal opinion. |
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