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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2022 13:21:24 GMT
I am looking at the laptop monitor now, Is it awareness experience itself? You are aware of the laptop. Are you also aware of awareness? |
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Post by Gopal on Jun 30, 2022 13:24:52 GMT
I am looking at the laptop monitor now, Is it awareness experience itself? You are aware of the laptop. Are you also aware of awareness?Only if I turn my focus towards awareness. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2022 13:26:31 GMT
You are aware of the laptop. Are you also aware of awareness?Only if I turn my focus towards awareness. Yes and when you do the laptop is no longer your focus of attention. In fact it disappears. |
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Post by Gopal on Jun 30, 2022 13:33:55 GMT
Only if I turn my focus towards awareness. Yes and when you do the laptop is no longer your focus of attention. In fact it disappears. Yes |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2022 13:37:26 GMT
Yes and when you do the laptop is no longer your focus of attention. In fact it disappears. Yes So then you are awareness experiencing itself which is you. |
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Post by Gopal on Jun 30, 2022 14:09:39 GMT
So then you are awareness experiencing itself which is you. If I change my focus then something else shows up. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2022 14:14:38 GMT
So then you are awareness experiencing itself which is you. If I change my focus then something else shows up. Yes. But that something else, that different object, is also consciousness but consciousness appearing as form. You can experience formless consciousness and objects of perception are also consciousness but as form. It's all consciousness. That's what figgles doesn't understand. She keeps talking about the abiding ground without realizing that everything that is experienced is consciousness so she says ridiculous things like the ground trumps the appearance of objects as if formless consciousness is different to consciousness as form. It's only different when you believe that they are separate. |
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Post by Gopal on Jul 2, 2022 5:39:03 GMT
If I change my focus then something else shows up. Yes. But that something else, that different object, is also consciousness but consciousness appearing as form . You can experience formless consciousness and objects of perception are also consciousness but as form. It's all consciousness. That's what figgles doesn't understand. She keeps talking about the abiding ground without realizing that everything that is experienced is consciousness so she says ridiculous things like the ground trumps the appearance of objects as if formless consciousness is different to consciousness as form. It's only different when you believe that they are separate. Even I don't understand what you are saying. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2022 5:48:22 GMT
Yes. But that something else, that different object, is also consciousness but consciousness appearing as form . You can experience formless consciousness and objects of perception are also consciousness but as form. It's all consciousness. That's what figgles doesn't understand. She keeps talking about the abiding ground without realizing that everything that is experienced is consciousness so she says ridiculous things like the ground trumps the appearance of objects as if formless consciousness is different to consciousness as form. It's only different when you believe that they are separate. Even I don't understand what you are saying. consciousness can be unmanifest or manifest. When you see a tree it is consciousness manifest. When you see formless ocean it is water, when you see the form of a wave it is also the same water. |
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Post by Figgles on Jul 3, 2022 17:19:10 GMT
You weren't merely talking about having memories of how things were before, you said that your knowing of truth was direct, based upon memory. Direct knowing is NOT based on memory...rather, it's direct/imminent...evident, here/now. This is what you said: "I know that to be true directly because of two reasons...." And your two reasons were memory based on past experience vs. present, imminent seeing...here/now. You're just too crazy to have a conversation with. You can't see the inherent contradiction between what you're saying now and your normal statements which are happening in time and which depend on memory. You've completely lost it! The point I am attempting to make is an incredibly important one when it comes to SR/being abiding awake. The Realization of Self is always a present moment thing. It's not a harkening back in memory to some mystical experience, or some transcendent seeing from the past. It is "imminent"....here and NOW, or not at all. Just because you can presently recall a past experience whereby you went so deeply into meditation that the sense was of all experiential content ceasing to arise/appear, and/or there was an absence of an experiencer/entity/person involved, does not mean that you are NOW awake SR. And if any of the CC/Kensho crowd are reading this, this is precisely the issue with that "Cosmic Consciousness event," that you can now describe from beginning to end complete with every minute detail about how the was no person present and all boundaries of distinction between objects dissolved to reveal something "realer than real,"...."alive,"...."conscious and perceiving,"...etc, etc. As that CC is now but a memory, and your so called realized seeing is now 'present/direct/imminent,' but rather, based on that harkening back to something that happened in the past, you really then cannot claim with validity that you 'know for absolute certain' that perception truly is happening on the part of appearing persons and/or things/objects. (Reefs and ZD made early assertions that shoes, rocks, socks, even piles of dog poo) are conscious and having some kind of distinct experience. Wakefulness/SR....freedom...liberation...nondual awareness is not based upon a memory of past event or past realization....that which is Truth shines brightly forth, is crystal clear AS the Truth, here and now, or it's simply not Truth. |
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