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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2022 5:32:47 GMT
That might be fine? These are your own exact words which you posted sometime ago in response to me. Awareness experiences itself
So not only are you having a petty word play argument about the difference in meaning between knowing and experiencing but you're now uncertain about whether you believe your own words.
Yeah, the entire context of the full conversation must be considered. As words are only pointers to the non-conceptual Truth, the surrounding context and previous conversations are important. The sage that says "I am the world," is saying something very, very different than the seeker who says "I am the world." If E, someNothing, Esponja for example used that term/pointer, I wouldn't quibble because I know based on their past posts and conversations with them, that they are not conceptualizing consciousness. You don't need an entire conversation to understand awareness experiences itself. So it seems you're okay with using the word experience here. Now if I say you're wrong, that can't be true, it must be awareness knows itself. Can I now turn your stupid childish argument back on you? |
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Post by Gopal on Jun 30, 2022 5:36:01 GMT
Yeah, the entire context of the full conversation must be considered. As words are only pointers to the non-conceptual Truth, the surrounding context and previous conversations are important. The sage that says "I am the world," is saying something very, very different than the seeker who says "I am the world." If E, someNothing, Esponja for example used that term/pointer, I wouldn't quibble because I know based on their past posts and conversations with them, that they are not conceptualizing consciousness. You don't need an entire conversation to understand awareness experiences itself. So it seems you're okay with using the word experience here. Now if I say you're wrong, that can't be true, it must be awareness knows itself. Can I now turn your stupid childish argument back on you? Is there any content when awareness experience itself ? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2022 5:41:34 GMT
You don't need an entire conversation to understand awareness experiences itself. So it seems you're okay with using the word experience here. Now if I say you're wrong, that can't be true, it must be awareness knows itself. Can I now turn your stupid childish argument back on you? Is there any content when awareness experience itself ? Awareness experiencing itself is without content. It's just awareness. Unlike figgles who has a conceptual understanding and requires a crutch made of pointers, I know that to be true directly because of two reasons. Firstly prior to realization I experienced temporary samadis which is the experience of pure objectless awareness and after realization that pure awareness coexisted along with the experience of objects. |
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Post by Figgles on Jun 30, 2022 5:46:07 GMT
Yeah, the entire context of the full conversation must be considered. As words are only pointers to the non-conceptual Truth, the surrounding context and previous conversations are important. The sage that says "I am the world," is saying something very, very different than the seeker who says "I am the world." If E, someNothing, Esponja for example used that term/pointer, I wouldn't quibble because I know based on their past posts and conversations with them, that they are not conceptualizing consciousness. You don't need an entire conversation to understand awareness experiences itself. So it seems you're okay with using the word experience here. Now if I say you're wrong, that can't be true, it must be awareness knows itself. Can I now turn your stupid childish argument back on you? I prefer not to. What I say is: Awareness knows itself. The non-conceptual knowing of awareness is not an experience...its' non-conceptual and prior to minding. Experience = minding...conceptual. |
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Post by Figgles on Jun 30, 2022 5:52:29 GMT
Is there any content when awareness experience itself ? Awareness experiencing itself is without content. It's just awareness. Unlike figgles who has a conceptual understanding and requires a crutch made of pointers, I know that to be true directly because of two reasons. Firstly prior to realization I experienced temporary samadis which is the experience of pure objectless awareness and after realization that pure awareness coexisted along with the experience of objects. Direct knowing/seeing does not equal recalling a memory of a past event/seeing. Truth is immediate, imminent, here and NOW. That which is known for absolute certain...(Truth) is always here and now. If your knowing is based upon a memory of a past event, however mystical/amazing/transcendent that event seemed to be, it's NOT a direct, realized absolute certain knowing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2022 5:57:55 GMT
You don't need an entire conversation to understand awareness experiences itself. So it seems you're okay with using the word experience here. Now if I say you're wrong, that can't be true, it must be awareness knows itself. Can I now turn your stupid childish argument back on you? I prefer not to. What I say is: Awareness knows itself. The non-conceptual knowing of awareness is not an experience...its' non-conceptual and prior to minding. Experience = minding...conceptual. Well it seems you were comfortable with actually saying awareness experiences itself previously. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2022 5:59:34 GMT
Awareness experiencing itself is without content. It's just awareness. Unlike figgles who has a conceptual understanding and requires a crutch made of pointers, I know that to be true directly because of two reasons. Firstly prior to realization I experienced temporary samadis which is the experience of pure objectless awareness and after realization that pure awareness coexisted along with the experience of objects. Direct knowing/seeing does not equal recalling a memory of a past event/seeing. Truth is immediate, imminent, here and NOW. That which is known for absolute certain...(Truth) is always here and now. If your knowing is based upon a memory of a past event, however mystical/amazing/transcendent that event seemed to be, it's NOT a direct, realized absolute certain knowing. Who is saying that what you are relies on memory? Truth is always here and now. |
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Post by Figgles on Jun 30, 2022 6:02:05 GMT
I prefer not to. What I say is: Awareness knows itself. The non-conceptual knowing of awareness is not an experience...its' non-conceptual and prior to minding. Experience = minding...conceptual. Well it seems you were comfortable with actually saying awareness experiences itself previously. Can you provide the precise quote where i said that? I don't recall that. My recollection is saying that awareness knows itself. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2022 6:03:07 GMT
Well it seems you were comfortable with actually saying awareness experiences itself previously. Can you provide the precise quote where i said that? I don't recall that. My recollection is saying that awareness knows itself. No I will not! |
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Post by Figgles on Jun 30, 2022 6:04:46 GMT
Direct knowing/seeing does not equal recalling a memory of a past event/seeing. Truth is immediate, imminent, here and NOW. That which is known for absolute certain...(Truth) is always here and now. If your knowing is based upon a memory of a past event, however mystical/amazing/transcendent that event seemed to be, it's NOT a direct, realized absolute certain knowing. Who is saying that what you are relies on memory? Truth is always here and now. Below you are characterizing your knowing of Truth to be direct for two reasons....both past experiences that you are now remembering. Satchi: "I know that to be true directly because of two reasons. Firstly prior to realization I experienced temporary samadis which is the experience of pure objectless awareness and after realization that pure awareness coexisted along with the experience of objects. |
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