Esponja
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Post by Esponja on Jan 3, 2022 6:05:50 GMT
This is the first time I've heard you describe yourself as a non-duality teacher so what are you teaching? Are you teaching that one needs to start thinking about seeing through illusions and then your liberated or do you meditate for 20 years and then discover that your mind magically starts to think that way and then you're liberated? Is this directed to me? If so, where did I describe myself as a non-duality teacher? Non-duality ultimately is not taught...all anyone can do it point, thus, the term 'teacher' is a bit of misnomer, but there are some who use the label anyway. Awakening to the Truth is not in the hands of the person...it happens if/when it happens. I say a far more sane goal for the person who sincerely is interested in clarity is to focus upon being aware of mind's machinations. In the absence of SR, being a conscious, mature adult is an entirely worthy pursuit. Agree with this. There’s no teacher anyway as it implies a hierarchy. One reason I adore Sailor Bob and Kat is that they refuse to be seen as more than or giving anything to anyone.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2022 7:58:15 GMT
This is the first time I've heard you describe yourself as a non-duality teacher so what are you teaching? Are you teaching that one needs to start thinking about seeing through illusions and then your liberated or do you meditate for 20 years and then discover that your mind magically starts to think that way and then you're liberated? Is this directed to me? If so, where did I describe myself as a non-duality teacher? Non-duality ultimately is not taught...all anyone can do it point, thus, the term 'teacher' is a bit of misnomer, but there are some who use the label anyway. Awakening to the Truth is not in the hands of the person...it happens if/when it happens. I say a far more sane goal for the person who sincerely is interested in clarity is to focus upon being aware of mind's machinations. In the absence of SR, being a conscious, mature adult is an entirely worthy pursuit. You said this in the take your power back thread: "I have no problem acknowledging that a table and a chair appear as 'discrete' objects...unique and apart from each other...we can call that 'relative separation' if need be, but for the sake of keeping things clear and not confusing the issue, I, like many nonduality teachers do, reserve the specific term 'not separate,' for referencing the fundamental Truth."
That has an ambiguous meaning as to whether you just think like some non-duality teachers or whether you include yourself as an non-duality teacher.
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Post by Figgles on Jan 3, 2022 21:38:55 GMT
Is this directed to me? If so, where did I describe myself as a non-duality teacher? Non-duality ultimately is not taught...all anyone can do it point, thus, the term 'teacher' is a bit of misnomer, but there are some who use the label anyway. Awakening to the Truth is not in the hands of the person...it happens if/when it happens. I say a far more sane goal for the person who sincerely is interested in clarity is to focus upon being aware of mind's machinations. In the absence of SR, being a conscious, mature adult is an entirely worthy pursuit. You said this in the take your power back thread: "I have no problem acknowledging that a table and a chair appear as 'discrete' objects...unique and apart from each other...we can call that 'relative separation' if need be, but for the sake of keeping things clear and not confusing the issue, I, like many nonduality teachers do, reserve the specific term 'not separate,' for referencing the fundamental Truth."
That has an ambiguous meaning as to whether you just think like some non-duality teachers or whether you include yourself as an non-duality teacher. Oh yes, I see. Yeah, meant it that I agree with them/think like them, not that I was denoting myself to BE a non-duality teacher.
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Post by Figgles on Jun 1, 2022 6:18:40 GMT
He (Abrushin) was on a mission indeed....I dunno...what do you think Reefs...was he putting spirit above intellect in his discourse below? Some very strong judgments and opinions he's espousing there about how a woman should live and behave, and yes, even dress! I provided a quote for the really judgy stuff, but I suggest reading the whole essay to get the full drift of where he's coming from. web.archive.org/web/20150325164306/http://grailmessage.com/en/volume-one/the-woman-of-subsequent-creation".....And this is just what the woman tries to hide today; she exerts herself to coarsen or suppress it altogether. In boundless vanity and stupidity she surrenders the most beautiful and valuable gift bestowed on her. Through this she makes herself an outcast from the Light, to whom the way back will remain closed. What has thereby become of these images of queenly womanhood! One must turn away from them with horror. Where does one still find in the woman of today the genuine feeling of shame, which is the expression of the most delicate intuitive perception of noble womanhood. It is so grossly distorted that it must be exposed to ridicule.
The woman of today is certainly ashamed to wear a long dress if fashion decrees a short one, but she is not ashamed to expose almost three-quarters of her body, offering it to the glances of all on festive occasions. And of course not only to their glances but also, when dancing, unavoidably to their hands! Without hesitation she would also uncover still more if fashion required it, probably even everything judging by present experiences!
This is no exaggeration. For hitherto we have had enough of this disgraceful conduct. It was not a wrong but, alas, only too true a saying that “woman begins to dress herself when she retires for the night”!Besides, delicate intuitive perceptions also demand a sense of beauty! Unquestionably. But if today the delicacy of womanly intuitive perceptions is still to be assessed on that basis, then affairs are in a deplorable state. Indeed, the type of dress often and plainly enough tells the opposite, and these thinly-stockinged legs of a woman, or even of a mother, are very difficult to reconcile with womanly dignity. Bobbed hair and modern sports for women are no less harmful to genuine womanhood! Coquetry is the inevitable accompaniment of vain fashion follies, which result in grave dangers for body and soul, to say nothing of the simple domestic happiness. Often enough many a woman prefers the coarse and really insulting flattery of some idler to the faithful labour of her husband. Thus much, very much more could be cited as visible evidence that a woman of today is lost to her real task in this Subsequent Creation! And likewise all the high values entrusted to her, of which she must now give an account. Accursed be these empty human beings! They are not the victims of circumstances, but they have forced these circumstances into being. All this talk about progress does not alter the fact that these zealots of progress, together with their faithful followers, only sink deeper, ever deeper. Already they have all buried their real values. The majority of womankind no longer deserve to bear the name of honor, woman! And they can never represent nor become men, thus in the end they remain nothing but drones in Subsequent Creation, which must be exterminated according to the inflexible Laws of Nature.Of all the creatures in Subsequent Creation, woman stands least in the place where she should stand! In her way she has become the saddest figure among all creatures! She simply had to become corrupt in soul, since she wantonly sacrifices her most noble intuitive perception, her purest power, to outward, absurd vanity, thereby ridiculing and scorning the decree of her Creator. With such superficiality there can be no salvation; for these women would reject words, or be no longer able to understand and grasp them at all. Thus out of the horrors the new, true woman must first arise, who has to become the mediator, and therewith also provide the foundation for the new God-willed life and human activity in Subsequent Creation, the woman who will have become free from poison and corruption!
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Post by Figgles on Jun 1, 2022 6:42:34 GMT
Holy cow... this "Abrushin" dude had some very odd, questionable views; The Crime of Hypnotism: "When a person employs hypnotism he binds the spirit of the one hypnotised! This binding is in itself a spiritual transgression or crime. To use hypnotism for the purpose of healing a bodily disease or as a means towards psychic recovery does not excuse it. Nor can it be defended by the argument that the resulting psychic change for the better has also improved the volition of the patient, so that he has benefited by hypnotic treatment. To live and act in this belief is self-deception; for only what a human spirit undertakes with a perfectly free and uninfluenced volition can bring it that benefit which it needs for its real ascent. All else is extraneous and only capable of bringing about a temporary and apparent benefit to them." web.archive.org/web/20151001112633/http://grailmessage.com/en/volume-two/the-crime-of-hypnotism
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Post by Gopal on Jun 1, 2022 6:49:26 GMT
Holy cow... this "Abrushin" dude had some very odd, questionable views; The Crime of Hypnotism: "When a person employs hypnotism he binds the spirit of the one hypnotised! This binding is in itself a spiritual transgression or crime. To use hypnotism for the purpose of healing a bodily disease or as a means towards psychic recovery does not excuse it. Nor can it be defended by the argument that the resulting psychic change for the better has also improved the volition of the patient, so that he has benefited by hypnotic treatment. To live and act in this belief is self-deception; for only what a human spirit undertakes with a perfectly free and uninfluenced volition can bring it that benefit which it needs for its real ascent. All else is extraneous and only capable of bringing about a temporary and apparent benefit to them." web.archive.org/web/20151001112633/http://grailmessage.com/en/volume-two/the-crime-of-hypnotismIt's interesting but wrong. Because everything moves as one. There is no person's spirit. There is only one spirit.
I learnt a technique whereby I could insert my thought into another person's mind, the person feel like it's their thought. It looks like there is a violation but in truth, but given system(Our universe) works that way.
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Post by Figgles on Jun 1, 2022 17:13:03 GMT
Holy cow... this "Abrushin" dude had some very odd, questionable views; The Crime of Hypnotism: "When a person employs hypnotism he binds the spirit of the one hypnotised! This binding is in itself a spiritual transgression or crime. To use hypnotism for the purpose of healing a bodily disease or as a means towards psychic recovery does not excuse it. Nor can it be defended by the argument that the resulting psychic change for the better has also improved the volition of the patient, so that he has benefited by hypnotic treatment. To live and act in this belief is self-deception; for only what a human spirit undertakes with a perfectly free and uninfluenced volition can bring it that benefit which it needs for its real ascent. All else is extraneous and only capable of bringing about a temporary and apparent benefit to them." web.archive.org/web/20151001112633/http://grailmessage.com/en/volume-two/the-crime-of-hypnotismIt's interesting but wrong. Because everything moves as one. There is no person's spirit. There is only one spirit.
I learnt a technique whereby I could insert my thought into another person's mind, the person feel like it's their thought. It looks like there is a violation but in truth, but given system(Our universe) works that way.
The realization that all moves as one is not compatible with a belief that such a technique actually lies causal to 'your thoughts being inserted into the others mind and that person feelings as though the thought it his.' It's one thing to experience the practicing of such a technique and the experience of it seemingly "working," but quite another if you go a step further to declare that practice/process as actually causal. Experience is not reliable when it comes to ascertaining Truth. There must be a seeing from beyond.
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Post by Figgles on Oct 23, 2022 22:02:45 GMT
Yup...he's on the money there. If you can describe it in great detail...if it has a beginning and end, content, then it's "an experience," and thus, has nothing to do with Truth. He should have stopped right there. The term "emptiness" is the pointiest of pointers....any bit of description is really too much...crosses the line.
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Post by Figgles on Oct 23, 2022 22:13:15 GMT
You are erroneously lumping in new age, in the dream, spiritual experience with transcendent seeing/realization. It's not mere stubborness behind the admonition that certain pointers really DO defy language. "Emptiness" really is one of those that to say anything more than the mere word is to day too much. It must be realized...there really is no conceptual equivalent...no words that will even remotely do it justice. We really are speaking of an absence, as is the hallmark of all realization that leaves the Truth bare.
If one is seeing layers within "realized emptiness" which is but a pointer to something that has no property...no quality as it's not a some-thing... he's entered back into mind...back into experience and is conflating with with transcendent seeing.
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Post by Esponja on Nov 16, 2022 6:24:45 GMT
I liked this.
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